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Date:      Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:23:18 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Dave Duchscher <daved@tamu.edu>
Cc:        Dave Uhring <duhring@charter.net>, "Jim C. Nasby" <jim@nasby.net>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Oliver Fromme <olli@secnetix.de>
Subject:   Re: JFS
Message-ID:  <20010708142318.V80862@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <20010707185753.B27481@net.tamu.edu>; from daved@tamu.edu on Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 06:57:53PM -0500
References:  <200107071638.SAA19610@lurza.secnetix.de> <01070711475500.00362@dave> <3B476285.43347BA1@nasby.net> <000d01c1074e$49d31ba0$0300a8c0@uhring.com> <20010707185753.B27481@net.tamu.edu>

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On Saturday,  7 July 2001 at 18:57:53 -0500, Dave Duchscher wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 08:35:35PM -0500, Dave Uhring wrote:
>>
>> You seem to have missed the critical point of that paper.  When the
>> system goes completely haywire and either crashes or locks up so hard
>> that a manual reset is required, UFS/softupdates requires a substantial
>> amount of time to run fsck.  If you have a very large filesystem, you
>> then have to w....a....i....t until fsck completes.  And if you are
>> lucky, it will not terminate with the suggestion that you run fsck by
>> hand.  With a true journalling filesystem this wait is obviated.  The
>> last transactions are rerun or truncated and the system boots up.
>
> Just to bring up a point, Softupdates will also avoid the long fsck at
> boot.  If I understand the papers I have read and with playing with
> Softupdates on current, Softupdates leaves files system in a
> consistent state so that the file-system can be mounted after a
> crash/lockup/etc immediately and only a background fsck need be run to
> free up left over pieces laying around.

You're thinking of snapshotting, not soft updates.

Greg
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