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Date:      Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:41:21 +0200
From:      Bart Matthaei <bart@xs4nobody.nl>
To:        Brian Somers <brian@Awfulhak.org>
Cc:        freebsd-security@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: RELEASE 4.3 -> RELENG_4_3: SUCCESSFULLY but ...
Message-ID:  <20010802144121.A11210@heresy.xs4nobody.nl>
In-Reply-To: <200108020005.f7205A811423@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org>; from brian@Awfulhak.org on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 01:05:10AM %2B0100
References:  <bart@xs4nobody.nl> <200108020005.f7205A811423@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org>

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I didn't say that securelevels have any use.
There are lots of ways you can get around it.

with regards,

Bart Matthaei

On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 01:05:10AM +0100, Brian Somers wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 10:01:41PM +0100, Nuno Teixeira wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > My question is: what is the real danger of doing `installworld` in 
> > > multiuser mode? I have doing a lot of tests in other machines tracking 
> > > STABLE and I have no problems so far.
> > 
> > They advice you to run singleuser, because of the securelevel.
> > If your securlevel is set to 3, for instance, you (no, not even root) wont be
> > able to overwrite files that have the schg flags set (system immutable
> > flag).. So things like rcp (which is schg by default) wont be installed
> > properly.
> 
> $ ls -lo /bin/* /usr/bin/* /sbin/* /usr/sbin/* /usr/libexec/* | fgrep -w schg
> -r-sr-xr-x   1 root  wheel     schg  348908 Aug  1 07:58 /bin/rcp
> -r-x------   1 root  wheel     schg  382188 Aug  1 08:10 /sbin/init
> -r-sr-xr-x   6 root  wheel     schg   32612 Aug  1 08:15 /usr/bin/chfn
> -r-sr-xr-x   6 root  wheel     schg   32612 Aug  1 08:15 /usr/bin/chpass
> -r-sr-xr-x   6 root  wheel     schg   32612 Aug  1 08:15 /usr/bin/chsh
> -r-sr-xr-x   1 root  wheel     schg   24936 Jul 26 11:23 /usr/bin/crontab
> -r-sr-xr-x   1 root  wheel     schg   21668 Aug  1 08:15 /usr/bin/login
> -r-sr-xr-x   1 man   wheel     schg   29040 Jul 16 09:07 /usr/bin/man
> -r-sr-xr-x   1 root  wheel     schg    4064 Jul 16 09:15 /usr/bin/opieinfo
> -r-sr-xr-x   1 root  wheel     schg   10692 Jul 16 09:15 /usr/bin/opiepasswd
> -r-sr-xr-x   2 root  wheel     schg   26900 Aug  1 08:16 /usr/bin/passwd
> -r-sr-xr-x   1 root  wheel     schg   10296 Jul 16 09:15 /usr/bin/rlogin
> -r-sr-xr-x   1 root  wheel     schg    7660 Aug  1 08:16 /usr/bin/rsh
> -r-sr-xr-x   1 root  wheel     schg   10456 Aug  1 08:16 /usr/bin/su
> -r-sr-xr-x   6 root  wheel     schg   32612 Aug  1 08:15 /usr/bin/ypchfn
> -r-sr-xr-x   6 root  wheel     schg   32612 Aug  1 08:15 /usr/bin/ypchpass
> -r-sr-xr-x   6 root  wheel     schg   32612 Aug  1 08:15 /usr/bin/ypchsh
> -r-sr-xr-x   2 root  wheel     schg   26900 Aug  1 08:16 /usr/bin/yppasswd
> -r-xr-xr-x   1 root  wheel     schg   85120 Aug  1 08:09 /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1
> -r-sr-x---   1 root  network   schg   11256 Jul 16 09:17 /usr/sbin/sliplogin
> 
> This just blows my mind.  Not only because I can't see (for example) why 
> rsh has schg and rshd does not, but also because
> 
> $ ls -lod / /bin /usr/bin /sbin /usr /usr/sbin /usr/libexec
> drwxr-xr-x  21 root  wheel  -  512 Aug  1 14:07 /
> drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel  - 1024 Aug  1 08:14 /bin
> drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel  - 2048 Aug  1 08:11 /sbin
> drwxr-xr-x  26 root  wheel  -  512 Aug  1 07:54 /usr
> drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel  - 8192 Aug  1 08:21 /usr/bin
> drwxr-xr-x   8 root  wheel  - 1536 Aug  1 08:21 /usr/libexec
> drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel  - 4608 Aug  1 08:21 /usr/sbin
> 
> makes the whole thing a joke.  Even at a high secure level, to 
> replace /sbin/init for example, you can
> 
> # cd /
> # cp -rp sbin sbin.new
> # mv sbin sbin.old
> # mv sbin.new sbin
> 
> If programs are going to be chflags'd at install time, then their 
> parent directories should at least have sappnd on them -- or even 
> more appropriately, schg so that nothing can be planted in root's 
> path.
> 
> Of course the problem with doing that is it makes the installworld 
> rather difficult, even with securelevel == -1.
> 
> > Also, singleuser makes sure processes like sshd are shut down.
> 
> I can't see why that would make a difference (assuming a reboot is 
> done after the installworld).
> 
> > (this is my theory.. correct me if im wrong)
> > 
> > With regards,
> > 
> > Bart Matthaei
> 
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