Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:10:43 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson <csfbsd@raggedclown.net> To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5 ISO Not consitant. I must press the issue. Message-ID: <20020227191043.GH2129@raggedclown.net> In-Reply-To: <02022615420605.00300@proxy.pt.com> References: <200202261646.LAA01711@alpha.vaxxine.com> <02022612592103.00300@proxy.pt.com> <20020226201632.GA2128@raggedclown.net> <02022615420605.00300@proxy.pt.com>
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 03:42:06PM -0500, Bill Moran wrote: > [redirected to -chat so this doesn't p*ss anyone off] > > On Tuesday 26 February 2002 15:16, Cliff Sarginson wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 12:59:21PM -0500, Bill Moran wrote: > > > On Tuesday 26 February 2002 11:46, Paul C. Boyle wrote: > > > > I admit I am a newbie using FreeBSD. But I enjoy the community very > > > > much. I was using the 4.4 install of FreeBSD for a while, I had a few > > > > buggy things with it like the cdplayer in KDE did not work. Not a big > > > > deal really but I thought practice installing from scratch is good > > > > experience. I got a friend to download and burn the 4.5 iso's for me > > > > since I only have a 33.6 dial up. My problem starts with no KDE > > > > internet utilities for dialup on the disks. I want to install and get > > > > up and running quickly not have to find and learn an new dialup tool. > > > > Man was I pissed. All of the other KDE packages were not on the cd's as > > > > well. > > > > This looks very bad for FreeBSD. > > > > > > No it doesn't. A very small percentage of people are going to be as > > > confused and upset as you are, and they are not the target audience for > > > FreeBSD. FreeBSD is targeted mainly at sysadmins and computer geeks, not > > > so much at the average computer user. > > > > I do not want to get embroiled in this argument, but the statement above > > is presumptious and in my view incorrect...and way behind the times. > > I simply disagree with you. Well I guess we have no statistics to go on. > > > There have been a number of mails on this issue, which means it is one > > that should be taken seriously. > > Agreed. > > > I have no personal axe to grind on what > > should or should not be on the ISO images, > > I do, and you may be surprised when you find out what edge of the axe I'm > grinding ... > > > but to proclaim as gospel > > who the target audience is strikes me as just a tad missing the > > changing times we live in. > > First off, I don't presume to be proclaiming gospel. I'm simply speaking from > experience. Yes but experience can change with time, what was true yesterday may not be true today. The audience for FreeBSD is not getting smaller, it is getting larger. > > > Besides which, the "geeks" and "sysadmins" who apparently are the only > > ones deemed to have ISO images made for them all probably have high > > speed cable or ADSL lines, in which case the CD issue is a non-issue for > > them. > > True. > > > I suggest also that this remark contradicts the statements about FreeBSD > > made on both it's web sites and on the packaged distributions that are > > for sale. > > What exact statements are you speaking of? Well there are links and lists of desktop apps. > > > This is not to suggest that FreeBSD needs or should follow the > > glitzy path that Linux is on, far from it. It is to say that FreeBSD is > > perfectly capable of being used as *both* a home-desktop system as running > > some of the biggest FTP sites in the world. > > 100% agreed. > Fact is, I believe the CD distros should be built in a slightly different fashion. How > about: > A CD iso for desktop configs, containing stuff that is typically needed for desktops > A CD iso for server configs, containing stuff typically needed for server setups > Additional CDs containing the rest of the "stuff" that is normally on CDs 2-4 > > It wasn't that long ago that a project called EasyBSD started and was going to make > the first CD described above. I was part of that group because I felt such an ISO > would be of great benefit to the FreeBSD project. > Unfortunatly, I didn't have much time to work on things, and neither did anyone else > who had initially started the project. There definately are better ways that things could > be done, but what is really needed is people to DO those things. > Ok. Well your feeling on this was not so very clear from the answer you gave on -questions, and also that you personally feel it would be a good thing to have such a CD image available. Yes. Someone has to DO it. I will give it some thought..:) Actually my personal interests lie elsewhere, for example I regard the whole init/rc implementation used in FreeBSD as way past it's sell-by date and would like to see that re-thought out..but that is another topic. -- Regards Cliff Sarginson -- <csfbsd@raggedclown.net> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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