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Date:      Tue, 7 May 2002 11:56:43 +0930
From:      Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Christopher Masto <chris@masto.com>, John Hay <jhay@icomtek.csir.co.za>, "M. Warner Losh" <imp@village.org>
Cc:        brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/share/man/man4 wi.4
Message-ID:  <20020507115643.N75198@wantadilla.lemis.com>
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On Monday,  6 May 2002 at 11:20:28 -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> In message: <20020506135655.GA67245@netmonger.net>
>             Christopher Masto <chris@masto.com> writes:
>> On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 02:34:35PM -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote:
>>> Sounds good to me.  I don't mind breaking it in 5.0, so we'll have 4.x
>>> adhoc means what it means now, and 5.x it will just be an alias for
>>> ibss or ibss-master or whatever makes sense.
>>
>> Is it possible to start displaying a warning at some point, so people
>> using adhoc will know it's slated to change?  Or say I get one of
>> these and use "adhoc" without carefully reading the documentation, it
>> should tell me that it doesn't think that word means what I think it
>> means. :-)
>
> You mean like
>
> wi0: You keep using adhoc.  I don't think it means what you think it means.

Well, more like:

wi0: deprecated term 'adhoc' used.  Check man page for replacements.


On Monday,  6 May 2002 at 16:53:01 +0200, John Hay wrote:
>>>
>>> As the one who implemented this in FreeBSD, I think we should strongly
>>> consider breaking this in 5.0.  adhoc should never have been the Lucent
>>> crap and I really regret that mistake.  If nothing else, consider the
>>> fact that adhoc works correctly with an(4) cards.  I'd personaly prefer
>>> that demo mode be something like link1 since it's evil and should die,
>>> but I could live with demo-adhoc.
>>
>> Sounds good to me.  I don't mind breaking it in 5.0, so we'll have 4.x
>> adhoc means what it means now, and 5.x it will just be an alias for
>> ibss or ibss-master or whatever makes sense.
>
> Should we maybe fold ibss and ibss-master into one option? From reading
> OpenBSD's driver, I think one of the reasons that they have it separate,
> is that the Symbol firmware do not support creating an ibss, well at
> least we don't know how. Or are there times when would want to use ibss
> without using the "create an ibss" option?

Interesting question.  You only need to create an IBSS once per IBSS
network.  I now have definitive proof that the station which creates
the IBSS doesn't do very much: I've taken that station out of the net,
and the other two machines can still talk to each other.  But I can
see issues when more than one station creates the IBSS: the net could
partition itself into two different IBSSs, so I suspect we should keep
the distinction, though the term "master" seems less appropriate.

Greg
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