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Date:      Mon, 13 May 2002 10:52:50 -0400
From:      Jake Burkholder <jake@locore.ca>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: question: hacking init_main.c
Message-ID:  <20020513105249.K2566@locore.ca>
In-Reply-To: <3CDF5EEB.ACEB8F8@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Sun, May 12, 2002 at 11:36:27PM -0700
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.43.0205121758360.38560-100000@BigKing.sinp.msu.ru> <3CDEB3C5.7D08D187@mindspring.com> <20020512162506.I2566@locore.ca> <3CDF4FA5.8511B01A@mindspring.com> <20020513015926.J2566@locore.ca> <3CDF5EEB.ACEB8F8@mindspring.com>

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Apparently, On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 11:36:27PM -0700,
	Terry Lambert said words to the effect of;

> Jake Burkholder wrote:
> > I know that you wrote it and I know that you're wrong.
> > 
> > Take sparc64_init() for example, which is called from locore.S before
> > mi_startup():
> 
> [ ... ]
> 
> > These printfs work fine.
> 
> [ ... ]
> 
> > Come to think of it:
> > 
> > > cd /usr/current/src/sys/
> > > find . -name "*.[ch]" | xargs grep SI_SUB_CONSOLE
> > ./sys/kernel.h: * The SI_SUB_CONSOLE and SI_SUB_SWAP values represent values used by
> > ./sys/kernel.h: SI_SUB_CONSOLE          = 0x0800000,    /* console*/
> > >
> > 
> > There don't seem to be any SYSINITs that run at SI_SUB_CONSOLE.
> 
> I guess your unique point of view here explains the misunderstanding...
> 8-).
> 
> What can I say... PC hardware is stupid.

[Peter shows i386 example in other mail]

You're talking out of your ass Terry.  Stop it.

> 
> The SPARC console code is handled by the PROM code.  PC hardware
> rarely has code in the POST routines to set up a console properly
> (you can get AMD BIOS that has the ability to send everything out
> the serial consle, and assumes it's talking to a VT100, but most
> motherboards don't have it).
> 
> If he wants to be guaranteed that it will work on any system, he
> needs to delay the console printf's until after the console
> initialization has happened, if it doesn't happen at hardware
> reset.
> 
> Personally, I'd also suggest just printing out the subsystem and
> order structure elements as hex, rather than relying on strings
> having been defined (or add a string element to the sysinit
> structure itself).  Normally, when I do this, I just put out the
> hex codes.  I've done this more than once (e.g. adding a 4M page
> allocation type to the kernel, etc.).
> 
> Actually, it would be nice to be able to set these flags into
> some global context somewhere, and then use it when doing the
> printf()'s, so that you could give a list of subsystems whose
> printf's you wanted to ignore.  In my experience, it's a common
> thing for managers to want to suppress many of the boot messages
> from appearing on the console, so as to hide the fact that they
> are using FreeBSD... never mind the fact that this makes field
> diagnostics a real pain for the engineers (I said it was common
> to want it ... not clever... 8-)).
> 
> Really, there wants to be a seperation of the console from the
> dmesg from the klog for messages, so you can select what goes
> where (or if it goes at all).
> 
> -- Terry
> 
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