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Date:      Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:18:14 -0500
From:      Drew Raines <drew-dated-1032131896.4746e7@rain3s.net>
To:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Why did evolution fail?
Message-ID:  <20020910231814.GA21879@drew.rain3s.net>
In-Reply-To: <1D890CC2-C50C-11D6-8708-000393A335A2@earthlink.net>
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Lawrence Sica wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 05:17  PM, Drew Raines wrote:
> >
> >Have you actually read the Bible or do you quote it fourth-hand
> >for fun?
> 
> Yes I have read it.  Many many times.


> >8:7, NASB).  His point was, just like Romans 3:23, that ``all
> >have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.''  They
> >deserved a stone in the head just as much or more than the
> >woman for their unbelief.
> 
> Romans isn't Jesus' words.

   ``In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
   and the Word was God. . .  and the Word became flesh, and
   dwelt among us. . .'' (John 1:1,14)

   ``No prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men
   moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God'' (2 Pet. 1:21).

   ``Paul. . . wrote to you all his letters. . . which the
   untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the /rest of
   the Scriptures/, to their own destruction.''

Romans is God's Word.  Jesus is God.  Romans is Jesus' words.

BTW, I didn't (intend to) claim Jesus wrote Romans.  I was
merely infering that the point of Romans 3:23 was the same as
Jesus' point in John 8:7.

> And I read what he said as you have no right to stone her
> because you are not pure either.  He told ppl he brought a
> new law...and that the old laws were no longer applicable.

I thought you were saying that Jesus didn't persecute anyone, a
comment justified by John 8:7.  Also, if you were agreeing with
Neal, why did you sarcastically refer to a piece of scripture
which supported his point?

You really should use punctuation more liberally.  We don't
mind the extra bandwidth usage.

> > him with my salvation.  How the flood, however, justifies
> > slavery is a mystery.  Care to elaborate?
> 
> The son who looked at noah naked?  Remember him?  Well it was
> said his children would serve the rest...I forget his name
> off the top of my head.  But it was then used that blacks
> were descended from the one son, so they could be slaves.

OK, so you're referring to what Noah said after Ham entered the
tent when Noah was naked.  He cursed Canaan, Ham's son, telling
Ham he shall be a ``servant of servants to his brothers''
(Genesis 9:25).

That doesn't justify slavery as an institution that pleased
God, however, which is what you were implying in previous
messages.  Where does the Bible claim that?

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