Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:50:17 +0200 From: Bernd Walter <ticso@cicely12.cicely.de> To: Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com> Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: jdk on alpha Message-ID: <20030526165016.GB66136@cicely12.cicely.de> In-Reply-To: <16082.16392.155803.403138@emerger.yogotech.com> References: <20030526153641.GC55219@cicely12.cicely.de> <16082.16392.155803.403138@emerger.yogotech.com>
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On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 10:25:44AM -0600, Nate Williams wrote: > > What are the outstanding issues? > > > > I've read on http://kjkoster.org/java/content/newarch.jsp that > > invokeNative_alpha.s needs to be done. > > Is this still true? > > Yes. OK - that needs to be done. > > What is the best jdk version to start with? > > The only one available, which is the one released by DEC (prior to being > Compaq, which happened prior to HPC) for Linux. > > > I've also read on that page that we need a working jdk to bootstrap > > with an example on how to do this with help from another machine. > > No need, since the Linux native one works. Is it recent enough to build jdk14? Otherwise I would prefer to go the i386 cross build way. It's problematic in respect to ports, but from what I've heard installaing the DEC binary is also manual work. > > Are there any ideas on how to handle this from ports? > > E.g. can we distribute a native bootstrap jdk binary like it's done > > for modula? > > No. However, in my opinion using the JVM, it's really a non-issue, Bad news, but I'd already expected this. > unless you're doing it for research purposes. My 486/66 box with 16MB > of memory blows the doors off my 500Mhz Alpha with 256MB of memory. > Java on the alpha is slow, piggy, and basically useless. Well - I can't argue on that, but having at least a runable java is required today in many cases - even in simple one such as web browsing. > DEC at one point had a VM in beta-test that had a very aggressive JIT > compiler but it never got into production, since Compaq essentially shut > all the work down after they bought DEC. As stated above, the basic JVM > port that DEC made was unbearably slow. > > Unless you want Java just for the sake of Java, you're better off buying > a different hardware platform and running Java on it, since the Alpha > does not run Java very well. Not an option - I want it for Alpha and I want it native. -- B.Walter BWCT http://www.bwct.de ticso@bwct.de info@bwct.de
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