Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 18:03:09 -0700 From: Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> To: Robert Storey <y2kbug@ms25.hinet.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New work on installer? - Checked by AntiVir DEMO version - Message-ID: <20040518010309.GA50924@tao.thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20040518063855.62e20610.y2kbug@ms25.hinet.net> References: <006801c43bd4$49362fd0$6501a8c0@yourw92p4bhlzg> <20040518063855.62e20610.y2kbug@ms25.hinet.net>
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On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 06:38:55AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > On Mon, 17 May 2004 01:00:37 -0500 > <timh@tjhawkins.com> wrote: > > > Has there been any new work on the installer or planned? If not, I would like > > to help... What about graphical? > > If you're looking to improve FreeBSD's user-friendliness, more usefual than a > GUI installer would be a few network setup tools. To get some idea what I'm > talking about, take a look at Slackware's "netconfig" and "adsl-setup" tools. > These aren't GUI, just ncurses scripts, but very easy to use. When I was a FBSD > newbie, one of my most frustrating experiences was having to manually write and > modify /etc/ppp/options and /etc/ppp/ppp.conf. I think a lot of newbies get to > this point, spend a few frustrating days tearing their hair out, and then give > up and go back to Redhat or SUSE. I think we (theBSD's) are losing a lot of serious brain brainpower (and certainly lots of latent high-end talent) by not having a less-headbanging install. I've done it literally dozens of times; I still get flummoxed now and then. What I would do for GUI/curses build/install would have a liberal (much space/slice) as the Default. Then have a lynx or links reader point the new users to a few choice pages if case they want to fine-tune. How much hacking would it take to have our current /stand/sysinstall have a web front end? > > A user-friendly GUI or ncurses script for configuring the new PF firewall would > no doubt win a few converts too. Take a look at Guarddog (a Linux tool for IP > tables) to get some idea. > > Just my 2 cents. > > regards, > Robert > For all its problems, we're doing just-barely well enough. The BSD projects are volunteer; this makes it difficult to ask *too* much. Even I sleep now and then;) As for all the griping in getting a new/improved installer-- no wonder the world is going to hell in a handbasket. If we-geeks can't agree on something this basic, no wonder the imbiciles du monde can't come to a reasonable compromises. 'n' dat's my dime's worth, gary > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix
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