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Date:      Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:17:35 -0700 (PDT)
From:      "R. B. Riddick" <arne_woerner@yahoo.com>
To:        Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>, Kevin Day <toasty@dragondata.com>
Cc:        freebsd-security@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: seeding dev/random in 5.5
Message-ID:  <20060809071735.71840.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <44D922E0.5050005@FreeBSD.org>

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--- Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
> The patches you sent to implement this option didn't come through to the
> mailing list, could you resend them please? :)
> 
> Seriously though, a lot of people looked at this problem when yarrow was
> introduced, and no solution became immediately apparent. So, if someone
> wants to take a crack at implementing something, knock yourself out.
> 
Since this is the security mailing list, I would like to direct the attention
on the following points:

* I see in the CD-procedure the problem, that a postman, who is more
sophisticated than in Leslie Nielsen's "Naked Gun 33 1/3" movie, might exchange
the media, so that u let ur Netherlandish install something u dont know and/or
like. Workaround: Do you use a checksum over the media (`md5 < /dev/acd0`) and
transmit those checksum on a different way (maybe email)?

* I received a private communication yesterday about this matter. But the list
did not. I will cite (not litterally) a little bit out of that message: Since
you do not know anything about the remotely created host-key, u cannot connect
safely to the freshly installed box, because: You do not even know the
signature of the new host-key, so that if u connect to the wrong box u would
not even known. Workaround: You could give all hosts the same well-known
host-key (via your install-image-CD) and then u could change the host-key in a
remotely controlled way individually and note down the signature? Maybe my
secret informer (lets call him Rasmus or RK) wants to come public... :-)

* But what if the postman (see first point) know already the host-key from
reading the CD? Then he could log in to ur boxes...

-Arne


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