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Date:      Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:18:17 -0700
From:      John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu>
To:        usleepless@gmail.com
Cc:        Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@freebsd.org>, freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: pvrxxx, linux code and modules
Message-ID:  <20070417001817.GZ73385@funkthat.com>
In-Reply-To: <c39ec84c0704161551i29914e70vd78f725f765c0c04@mail.gmail.com>
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usleepless@gmail.com wrote this message on Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 00:51 +0200:
> On 4/16/07, John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu> wrote:
> >Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote this message on Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 15:20 +0930:
> >> - I need to understand better how tuners work.  I've been thinking of
> >>   writing a document on the subject, something that people could use
> >>   for help when writing drivers.  If you know of anything, even
> >>   partial or badly laid out, please let me know.
> >
> >Just to reiterate, tuner code really should be located in userland..
> >it's not time sensitive, and can't corrupted state of the kernel..
> >
> >As for tuners, most/all of them communicate through the i2c bus...
> >The tuner is programed w/ the frequency to tune, and depending upon
> >the range of frequence will turn on/off various transistors to change
> >some of the analog curcuit behavior...
> >
> >My HDTV device drive does all the tuning from userland...
> 
> which driver is this?

The DViCO FusionHDTV 5 Lite driver:
http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-2006-10-2006-12.html#Bt878-Audio-Driver-(aka-FusionHDTV-5-Lite-driver)

I have two tuners working in my system at home.

> >It was
> >a lot easier to get it working using userland than having to constantly
> >load/unload kernel modules, and risk crashing the machine...
> 
> you are absolutely spot on about this. it's that i did build upon
> pvr250 which had the tuner in kernel space, so i didn't think about
> it. otherwise i might have been influenced by the linux source, and i
> would have implemented in kernel space as well :-)
> 
> but considering V4L(2), which has to support ioctl's changing the
> frequency, how could this work from userland?

Kill the V4L(2) API? :)  I have thought about doing a cdev bridge to
userland..  Effectively FUSE, but for cdev's instead of file systems...
This would put most/all the logic in userland, and w/ some mmapping
magic, can have similar/same performance for high speed devices like
bktr...

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     "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."



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