Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:02:09 +0100 From: "Danny Pansters" <danny@ricin.com> To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) Message-ID: <200712130002.09967.danny@ricin.com> In-Reply-To: <200712121701.57460.mi%2Bmill@aldan.algebra.com> References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi%2Bmill@aldan.algebra.com>
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On Wednesday 12 December 2007 23:01:57 Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > The simple fact is that Tuomo has some strange desire to blame packagers > > for all his problems with software and users. > > Yes, license-crafting lawyers are usually more polite and don't engage in > direct communications with forums such as ours. Their licenses suck much > more, however -- think Java, cdrtools, or Skype, and all the other > closed-source packages. Put Tuomo's demands in perspective, for crying out > loud... > > > It's impossible for the FreeBSD ports system to guarantee compliance wi= th > > his arbitrarily chosen "28 days" rule. =9AIf he's going to demand that = his > > terms be followed, then it has to come out of the ports. > > Actually, it can be done -- when building the port, the date on the > distfile (or that on the most recent source-file /extracted/ therefrom) c= an > be checked against the current date and a prominent message can be issued > warning of possible obsoleteness (sp?)... > > I just wish we avoided the rash decisions like "let's remove everything > written by the guy we don't like NOW" -- if only in the name of "ports > slush"... In the hurry to spite the admittedly unpleasant-sounding author, > the needs and expectations of the users were neglected. Google a bit: ArchLinux (well, it was in the user-submitted "ports tree" that they have),= =20 Gentoo, Debian/ubuntu, NetBSD, OpenBSD. The latter had a pre license-change= =20 version and it was decided to stick with that. The others dumped it. The guy was never trying to find any compromise. He wants to go close sourc= ed=20 or something and "move to windows xp in a few years", on which apparently=20 there's a need for his software.=20 Also, it's worth noting that there seems to be no trademark at all, the aut= hor=20 is under the impression that a trademark doesn't have to be applied for (of= =20 course that goes for copyright, not trademarks). This is from early in the = ML=20 thread over at Archlinux, dated april 2007.=20 The guy's got a huge grudge or something, maybe even a serious mental probl= em=20 (that is not meant as hyperbole -- look through some of the above "distros"= =20 ML archives). You can't do OSS and be a control freak at the same time. It just doesn't w= ork=20 like that. mlc has handled this exactly how he should have. With a swagger! I promise not to reply to this thread any more :) Dan > I've never used ion, but, judging from some responses here, it is an > appreciated piece of software. > > -mi > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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