Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:35:57 -0400 From: Jerry <freebsd.user@seibercom.net> To: FreeBSD <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: HAL must die! Message-ID: <20110317173557.131dddd5@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110317194852.GA15133@guilt.hydra> References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1103061251530.95312@abbf.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <il2qar$ka1$1@dough.gmane.org> <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1103171005430.2841@abbf.onfvpvfc.arg> <AANLkTikXKB1F_jh%2BNju_kr9v=w7F6VZL8PoqHUQKfgsL@mail.gmail.com> <20110317194852.GA15133@guilt.hydra>
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--Sig_/E_V.u2bInT+HGfanGk+3eYJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:48:52 -0600 Chad Perrin <perrin@apotheon.com> articulated: > I blame Microsoft, GNU, and Canonical for this trend, mostly. Chad, I believe I stand on firm ground when I state that you would blame Microsoft if the sun didn't come up tomorrow. You obviously must have a life time membership to "Slashdot". Microsoft creates programs, utilities, etc. for Microsoft. With very few exceptions, it does not actively create programming for a non-windows theater. It certainly never created any programming for *nix systems that deal with hardware discovery & configuration. Microsoft is not your problem. The people writing software, drivers, what have you for *.nix & *.BSD are your problem. Contrary to whatever you may think, the over whelming majority of users want a system that just works. They don't want to spend hours/days or more just tying to get a printer or sound card to work. They would rather leave that to people like you who have time to waste. Those of us on the clock don't have the luxury of fiddling with a piece of hardware when we could be doing something productive. Two statements in your post stand out as being totally bizarre. 1) <quote> People design software meant to eliminate the configuration and management hassle from the end user, but it doesn't always work perfectly. </quote> OK, what software always works correctly? That never fails, hangs, or just blows up. Deal with it, it is a fact of life. Ask any of a number of users who have tried to get OpenOffice to work as designed the first time; or even ever. 2) <quote> Unfortunately, it so zealously attempts to guess what the user wants that it effectively *disallows* easy fixes when the user discovers that something needs to be "fixed". <quote> Of course your statement is sans any documented proof, which in itself is not news worthy; however, who's specific configuration should the designers of said software use for a template? I know, yours, right? It is obvious that the designers are attempting to guess what the user whats. Obviously, they are not going to guess right 100% of the time. It is just the nature of the beast. Are you trying to say that you cannot manually change a configuration file? By the way, it will only get worse as no one can come to an agreement on one unified replacement for HAL. Nothing like fragmentation to make things work better. I believe that XFCE has dropped all support for HAL too. Is that Microsoft's fault too? I have two Linksys Wireless-N PCI cards in front of me that work fine on a Windows platform. FreeBSD doesn't even have a driver for them, thereby rendering them useless. I suppose that is Microsoft's fault too. --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ The latest toy has just hit the shops - a talking Muslim doll. Nobody knows what the hell it says because no one's got the balls to pull the cord. --Sig_/E_V.u2bInT+HGfanGk+3eYJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNgn7IAAoJEHdwsA8xwKhFGnEH/jeEhxthpzq5IOxp6Pu7rs7J 7cHGbj0Isx3nTe0uHGGRP/UdyvVGaBtTMzcBdsz+oFGQKhxFA/Sc6nVoXjwUVE6i 8POrLZaMPmKqIHG9/Ffx/zOClb9j4K4By8arA9Gr6v4XmJmWYEzhjs9YsLLRHhX3 3C6p8sB0EeIgDYsOOhM39miVoCk7pfZqykyX4zWNVOYJYzaoutttTxJA5+e3YeRG DNXWCWw8B7LDHpgNOHikeFiNNk/Hv4QccClQN5DegQgg6NKT+sZzVetnIu7kXAEZ 0Eote5nNUzQC9FwXwKCVMheTxkybaa7v+yL3afzE9fQB701Bm7Ny7EMZrQ4d+Do= =Ixb6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/E_V.u2bInT+HGfanGk+3eYJ--
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