Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 06:12:56 -0500 From: Bryan Drewery <bryan@shatow.net> To: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Fernando =?iso-8859-1?Q?Apestegu=EDa?= <fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] Staging, packaging and more Message-ID: <20131004111256.GC98118@admin.xzibition.com> In-Reply-To: <20131004070158.GE72453@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> References: <20131003084814.GB99713@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <524D6059.2000700@FreeBSD.org> <524DD120.4000701@freebsd.org> <20131003203501.GA1371@medusa.sysfault.org> <CAGwOe2Ye2MLz3QpyMW3wyN9ew%2BiNnTETS1oOi_%2B8dPehUcWa0w@mail.gmail.com> <20131004061833.GA1367@medusa.sysfault.org> <20131004063259.GC72453@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <20131004065753.GV82824@droso.dk> <20131004070158.GE72453@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net>
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--nmemrqcdn5VTmUEE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:01:58AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:53AM +0200, Erwin Lansing wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:32:59AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please no devel packages. > > > > > > > > > > > > Seconded. > > > > > > > > > > What's wrong with devel packages? > > > >=20 > > > > It complicates things for developers and custom software on > > > > FreeBSD. The typical situation that I see on most Linux platforms i= s a > > > > lot of confusion by people, why their custom software XYZ does not > > > > properly build - the most common answer: they forgot to install a > > > > tremendous amount of dev packages, containing headers, build tools = and > > > > whatnot. > > > > On FreeBSD, you can rely on the fact that if you installed e.g. lib= GL, > > > > you can start building your own GL applications without the need to > > > > install several libGL-dev, libX11-dev, ... packages first. > > > > This is something, which I personally see as a big plus of the Free= BSD > > > > ports system and which makes FreeBSD attractive as a development pl= atform. > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > On the other ends, that makes the package fat for embedded systems, t= hat also > > > makes some arbitrary runtime conflicts between packages (because they= both > > > provide the same symlink on the .so, while we could live with 2 versi= on at > > > runtime), that leads to tons of potential issue while building locall= y, and > > > that makes having sometime insane issues with dependency tracking. Wh= y having > > > .a, .la, .h etc in production servers? It could greatly reduce PBI si= ze, etc. > > >=20 > > > Personnaly I do have no strong opinion in one or another direction. S= hould we be > > > nicer with developers? with end users? with embedded world? That is t= he question > > > to face to decide if -devel packages is where we want to go or not. > > >=20 > >=20 > > If we chose to go down that path, at least we should chose a different > > name as we've used the -devel suffix for many years for developmental > > versions. > >=20 > > I must agree that it is one of the things high on my list of things that > > irritate me with several Linux distributions but I can see the point for > > for embedded systems as well. But can't we have both? Create three > > packages, a default full package and split packages of -bin, -lib, > > and even -doc. My first though twas to make the full package a > > meta-package that would install the split packages in the background, > > but that would probably be confusing for users at the end of the day, so > > rather just have it be a real package. > >=20 > I do like that idea very much, and it is easily doable with stage :) +1 to splitting packages for embedded usage. >=20 > regards, > Bapt --nmemrqcdn5VTmUEE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (FreeBSD) iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJSTqK4XxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQzNkZFQkU5OTJGNTI4MERGNDgxMTM2MkE2 RTc4MkFDMDNDOUIwQ0Y5AAoJEG54KsA8mwz5NckP/A/dhYtscfDyIjyETceC7/7t /7bgFvD4Wepg6h2OMkqlWn2yT3bMxUUoP80Kslyq1XYatVomWRVB85ZXNTGJOJHG 7PrWTh3YXQHMFL107uhM6sfvulgY6P6T9yAZsUzDHvPFFyRaZlNWf2Z7HL5AXDYv 4TQr7/jQmn4zZUGePg+E5nJdupIG7wln2FtDM0yvrbWv4FwOcr8fW6zU5Z7DfMBs 2kqUa9/IPHrKNoxIM83B6Sx9ZirriMK2y/V2PcQ7+Gc1hpn4kLYwwFjD+N73gTNX KYOh/u1AJ719P4XonWagYsu8UPnt4R4pELri5U2hKGYAhxEEx9WsP8FqUkbiOYFd SFUDdU/VD+Ncm+wG4ntaQY4lAMI0YEbGB82m8YN/saP20M//Kgoq99A735hF7hn7 8SoTBazITBhf49Y1dugKmTQsTiFdDsekh6VNwvpD7hKsi+QOVKS8qtUhZEmN5X8z aCit5cdBjfPgUb30iOmBsDhcXAcoQksoQ1kBBw9wt2redlYhQLsdRMkJLnDOic8B ojpUhjNZ+upKiN08TW9Ks+8M81ZeiOIvWcllkBMgVv7nsZJ7mjjmGfNBf0qVhiJt AsX/CBLqR58w1EWyKmHMyDhwjV6b4xoe0+nUTwT50mqzEgC1S4zZWudPq0DdOPC5 x+7kZUl2XvQhvLoYWZAd =cKE3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nmemrqcdn5VTmUEE--
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