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Date:      Fri, 03 May 2019 23:07:51 +1000
From:      Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net>
To:        "Kevin P. Neal" <kpn@neutralgood.org>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Borja Marcos <borjam@sarenet.es>, Pete French <petefrench@ingresso.co.uk>
Subject:   Re: ZFS...
Message-ID:  <2A7B5457-371A-4014-8C1E-972BA2FD10DF@sorbs.net>
In-Reply-To: <20190503125118.GA11226@neutralgood.org>
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Michelle Sullivan
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> On 03 May 2019, at 22:51, Kevin P. Neal <kpn@neutralgood.org> wrote:
>=20
> On Fri, May 03, 2019 at 08:25:08PM +1000, Michelle Sullivan wrote:
>>> On 03 May 2019, at 20:09, Borja Marcos via freebsd-stable <freebsd-stabl=
e@freebsd.org> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> On 3 May 2019, at 11:55, Pete French <petefrench@ingresso.co.uk> wrote:=

>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>> On 03/05/2019 08:09, Borja Marcos via freebsd-stable wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The right way to use disks is to give ZFS access to the plain CAM devi=
ces, not thorugh some so-called JBOD on a RAID
>>>>> controller which, at least for a long time, has been a *logical* =E2=80=
=9CRAID0=E2=80=9D volume on a single disk. That additional layer can
>>>>> completely break the semantics of transaction writes and cache flushes=
.
>>>>> With some older cards it can be tricky to achieve, from patching sourc=
e drivers to enabling a sysctl tunable or even
>>>>> flashing the card to turn it into a plain HBA with no RAID features (o=
r minimal ones).
>>>>=20
>>>> Oddly enough I got bitten by something like this yesteray. I have a mac=
hine containing an HP P400 RAID controller, which is nice enough, but I run Z=
FS so I have made the drives all into RAID-0 as being as close as I can get t=
o accessing the raw SAS drives.
>>=20
>> I got bitten by that on this hardware originally...  switching to raid-0 a=
nd separate drives then switching to write-through (not write back and defin=
itely not write back with bad bbu) seemed to solve it.
>=20
> I have an old Dell R610 with a PERC 6/i and Megaraid SAS driver Ver 4.23.
> When I use mfiutil to set caching to write through it still goes through
> the cache. Which means that if a drive fails and the machine reboots the
> firmware stops the boot because it has data in the cache that it wants
> to store on the failed drive. So a normal failure of a drive in a three
> way ZFS mirror that shouldn't cause a loss of service actually does.
>=20


I don=E2=80=99t think it will do that in write through.. it will everytime i=
n write back.

> Thumbs down to RAID cards.
> --=20
> Kevin P. Neal                                http://www.pobox.com/~kpn/
>=20
> "Good grief, I've just noticed I've typed in a rant. Sorry chaps!"
>                            Keir Finlow Bates, circa 1998
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