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Date:      Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:51:02 +0000
From:      Paul Richards <paul@originative.co.uk>
To:        Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: The Merger, and what will its effects be on committers?
Message-ID:  <38CE51D6.CC129D96@originative.co.uk>
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I trimmed the CC list, we should all start doing that.

Nik Clayton wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> 
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 09:38:58PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote:
> >       Speaking as the FreeBSD Release Engineer, and as a member of the
> > FreeBSD Core Team, I suspect that Jordan's statement is pretty much
> > final.  Anybody who wants to ship something with the FreeBSD
> > trademark associated with it will need to include at the very least
> > the same four standard ISO images that he produces and makes
> > available for anyone who wants to download them and burn them with a
> > writer.
> 
> A small point.  To the best of my knowledge, 3 of the 4 ISO images
> are not made available.

It's also worth pointing out that, unless I've missed a change to the
contrary, the ISO images are copyrighted by WC and so you cannot take
them and do your own distribution with them.

> The first one is.  Discs 2 thru 4 are not -- they are part of the Walnut
> Creek value add.  If you want 'em, you've got to pay for 'em.
> 
> And to the wider point -- FreeBSD isn't an ISO image.  I actually
> wouldn't mind seeing a hard and fast definition of what FreeBSD is.

That's basically what all this comes down to and I think core should get
involved with the project members and come to some agreement on this
matter so that everyone knows where they stand.
 
> Is it the contents of /usr/src/ (and the associated CVS repository?).
> 
> If so, that means that the ports tree and the docs are "third party
> addons".  Which doesn't sound quite right -- then again, the ports tree
> is certainly not a core part of the OS, and neither (with my Doc. Proj.
> Manager hat on) is /usr/doc.
> 
> Certainly, if someone were to do
> 
>     # cd /usr/src/release && make NODOC=YES NOPORTS=YES release
> 
> and try and sell the resulting CDs, I think they'd have every right to
> call the result FreeBSD.
> 
> I also think that if someone were to do the above, and (f'rinstance)
> offered a different installer (by way of 2 different kern and mfsroot
> floppy images) they'd also be completely within their rights to call the
> result FreeBSD.
> 
> If someone were to sell a binary only version, where the binaries had
> been compiled with Tendra instead of gcc, that's also FreeBSD.

I agree with all those definations, to be honest it would be totally
ludicrous to call them anything but FreeBSD. Do we really want a
situation where a distributor has to call his product FooOS because they
decided to leave out the docs to save space?

Personally, I think all the above should be allowed as long as they are
clearly marked e.g. I see nothing wrong with a "FreeBSD Tendra 1.0"
release. FreeBSD should be used to refer to the project and
distributions should be named distinctly but be allowed to use FreeBSD
as part of their name.

> Before you can start talking about whether can call something FreeBSD,
> you need to have a good grasp of what FreeBSD is in the first place.

Absolutely.

Paul.


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