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Date:      Tue, 30 May 2000 09:51:09 +0200
From:      Willem Brown <willem@brwn.org>
To:        keith@mail.telestream.com
Cc:        Victor Sudakov <sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru>, questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Anyone using dump(8)
Message-ID:  <393372ED.F3B24C20@brwn.org>
References:  <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005292244240.27088-100000@mail.telestream.com>

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keith@mail.telestream.com wrote:
> 
> I use dump every day. Seeing that I had a million of my questions
> answered from the list not to long ago I'll repay the debt on your
> questions. :)
> 
> #1 If file systems are to be mouted read only durring a dump then it's
> news to me. I've never heard of it and have never done it. A quick look at
> the man page for dump doesn't say this either.
> 
> #2 I use dump for 5 servers on my network to a single machine.
> Works realy good. You have to allow for rsh because dump will use it to do
> the dirty work. Not exactly secure but if you aren't doing dumps in a cron
> script then you can just enable rsh durring the times you prefer to do the
> dumps.
> 
> #3 You don't have to be single user to do a dump. That would kind of
> defeat the use of a network dump.
> 
> #4 I'm not entirely sure about this but as far as doing a dump on an
> active file system. Dump takes a sort of snapshot of the file system
> before it starts pumping data to tape. So files modified durring a dump
> will only have the data as it was before dump took the snap of it.
> As soon as you issue the dump command your disks will go crazy as dump
> figures out what all needs to be dumped. I just kind of assumed <ouch>
> that it was snaping the file system. Or depending on the level of dump you
> are doing will be looking to see the modification dates on files to
> determine what needs dumping.
> Anyone with more info on this I'd like to know about it.
> 
> #5 I've never known anyone to halt services while dumping a file system.
> 
> Hope that answered some questions.
> 
> Keith
> 
> =================================
> Keith W.
> 
> At the helm <for better or worse>
> =================================
Hi,

	You can actually use ssh instead of rsh to do the remote dump.
Just rename the existing rsh executable and create a link to ssh

mv /usr/bin/rsh /usr/bin/rsh.o
ln -s /usr/local/bin/ssh /usr/hin/rsh

You would also have to configure the remote host to allow this host
to connect without specifying a password. It doesn't seem to prompt
for one. 

I would imagine that you can use public keys and host based
authentication to control the access to the remote server.

I don't know though if this makes it that more secure since someone
gaining access to the local root account will have access to the
remote server. I guess the same goes for rsh?

Regards
Willem Brown
> 
> On Tue, 30 May 2000, Victor Sudakov wrote:
> 
> > Hello.
> >
> > I wonder if anyone uses dump(8) nowadays in a production environment.
> > It seems the best backup tool as it preserves hard links, sparce files
> > etc. However, there are some practical questions I need enlightment
> > on.
> >
> > 1. You are supposed to mount a filesystem readonly before you dump it,
> > right? Then dump cannot write /etc/dumpdates and aborts. Moreover, I
> > cannot stop the services every time I need to dump a filesystem. How
> > do you deal with that?
> >
> > 2. The tape drive is only on one host, so I need to dump filesystems
> > over the network. I can boot in single user mode, mount the
> > filesystems readonly, but then I have to do all the ifconfig, route
> > etc. stuff (to see the tape server) by hand which is annoying.
> >
> > 3. Is dump really so vulnerable to modifications of filesystems during
> > dump? Then how is it supposed to work on non-stop systems?
> >
> > Surely there must be some know-how. People seem to have been using
> > dump(8) for years, and in huge companies too. I only have to dump 11
> > boxes, some with very important data updated every 20 minutes or so,
> > to a tape drive on one of the boxes.  Dump users, please reply.
> >
> > Any input is greatly appreciated.
> >
> > --
> > Victor Sudakov,  VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN
> > 2:5005/149@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/
> >
> >
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