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Date:      Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:10:29 -0700
From:      Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Gregory Neil Shapiro <gshapiro@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        "Jin Guojun[DSD]" <j_guojun@lbl.gov>, "Crist J. Clark" <cjc@FreeBSD.ORG>, FreeBSD-arch@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: conf/39444: rc.sendmail syntax error: cannot disable sendmail
Message-ID:  <3D102055.F08DD2AE@FreeBSD.org>
References:  <3D0FB406.83DE356D@lbl.gov> <20020618155900.O2483-100000@master.gorean.org> <15632.6996.519381.823439@horsey.gshapiro.net>

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Gregory Neil Shapiro wrote:

> DougB> The problem here is that historically sendmail_enable="NO" always meant
> DougB> "don't run a listener for incoming mail, but still let me send mail from
> DougB> this host."
> 
> Yes, and that's what I tried to preserve. 

	I think you did a good job on that, don't get me wrong. 

> DougB> What I think we need is a new knob, something like
> DougB> use_real_sendmail, that will default to YES, leaving the new status
> DougB> quo for sendmail_enable="NO" intact, but also be able to completely
> DougB> disable all sendmail stuff, including listeners for outgoing mail,
> DougB> queue runners, etc. That way users can have a clear indication of
> DougB> what's going to happen, and the same YES/NO syntax they are familiar
> DougB> with.
> 
> If you don't want *any* sendmail daemon running, you can either use:
> 
> sendmail_enable="NONE"
> 
> or
> 
> mta_start_script=""
> 
> I don't see the problem with using one of these methods. 

	The problem is, the users are getting confused. Neither of the methods
you describe is "standard," which is a big part of the confusion.

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