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Date:      Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:48:50 -0500
From:      Bill Moran <wmoran@potentialtech.com>
To:        Heinrich Rebehn <rebehn@ant.uni-bremen.de>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: fsck takes very long after crash/reset
Message-ID:  <3E4A9712.8030609@potentialtech.com>
References:  <3E4A5B77.5080103@ant.uni-bremen.de> <3E4A863E.2030801@potentialtech.com> <3E4A8EF5.1070308@ant.uni-bremen.de>

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Heinrich Rebehn wrote:
> Bill Moran wrote:
> 
>> Heinrich Rebehn wrote:
>>
>>> Hi list,
>>>
>>> I operate a FreeBSD server with a 300GB Raid. This morning i had to 
>>> hard reset it and when booting, fsck took some 20 minutes.
>>
>> I would expect that from 300G
>>
>>> Most partitions, especially the large ones are mounted with 
>>> soft-updates.
>>
>> Good.
>>
>>> Also, some weeks ago, we had missing files after a crash/fsck.
>>
>> Soft-updates will do that if the system crashes in the middle of
>> writes.
> 
> I have read several times that soft updates ensure that the fs is always 
> in a consistent state?

As I understand it, it is consistent.  It's just consistent with the
way the filesystem was prior to those files being saved.

> According to 
> murphy's law this happens when the system is needed most urgently. fsck 
> times of 20 minutes are not tolerable then.

Yeah ... isn't Murphy's law a bitch.

> This is the point where people talk about journalling fs, and i think 
> they're right.

Did you search the archives as I suggested?  There was a lot of useful
information in some of the past discussions.

> Running fsck in the background might help when 5.0 becomes stable. If it 
> really works, ok, otherwise i really think a journalling fs is needed.

I think journalling is a good idea anyway.  Although it's not the solution
to every problem, journalling has some advantages that softupdates doesn't.
It would be nice if both were available.  Are you volunteering, because I
seem to remember the conversation that nobody has had the time to port
something like Reiser to FreeBSD yet.

-- 
Bill Moran
Potential Technologies
http://www.potentialtech.com


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