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Date:      Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:01:31 -0600
From:      Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
To:        Foxfair Hu <foxfair@drago.cert.org.tw>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD, the follower of Linux ?
Message-ID:  <4.2.0.58.19990831094953.04670380@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <37CB916C12C.56BBFOXFAIR@drago.cert.org.tw>

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At 04:25 PM 8/31/99 +0800, Foxfair Hu wrote:

>FYI:
>
>http://www.startribune.com/stOnLine/cgi-bin/article?thisSlug=TECB29
>
>  and Jordan said "we were the snobs!"   *sneaking :p
>  
>  -Foxfair.

Actually, the most telling line in this article is a quote from Eric
Raymond, who says:

"The BSD people had a lot of advantages," Raymond said, but "they got one 
thing wrong that completely overcame all their advantages. They got their 
sociology wrong."

ESR is largely correct in this. FreeBSD's current development group does
chase away good people by requiring conformity and unquestioning assent;
mavericks, no matter how much good they might do, are not welcome. But
Steve Vaughan-Nichols also hits it on the head when he says that marketing
is a problem. 

As a person who (in somewhat of a Jekyll and Hyde manner) both hacks and
markets, I can see the problems in FreeBSD's approach. It is possible to
work around it, and I'd love to mount an effort to bring FreeBSD's marketing 
and evangelism up to par. In fact, as I've mentioned in earlier messages,
I now have some folks volunteering funding and asking me to do this. And I
am close to getting the TIME to pursue it as well.

What I'm concerned about, though, is that the developers might literally try 
to sabotage such an effort. In that case, it'd be necessary to do a fork
(which I'd hate to do; it entails much wasted and duplicated work) or to go 
with one of the other BSDs (perhaps OpenBSD). So, I'm in somewhat of a
quandary here. Would Jordan Hubbard, in a million years, even accept the existence
of an effort that would actively market and evangelize BSD UNIX? Would Walnut
Creek try to take FreeBSD private if such an effort became too successful?

--Brett




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