Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:23:58 -0700 From: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> To: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stallman stalls again Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010315180735.00c71720@localhost> In-Reply-To: <15025.25986.558682.795289@guru.mired.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010315075228.00e60ac0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010315005732.00b5cef0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314185307.00e6ab00@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314182353.00ba5880@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314170008.00d86960@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314132512.04acb100@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010313211657.00e294a0@localhost> <3AADC096.DE27817@outpost.co.nz> <4.3.2.7.2.20010311235053.00e26140@localhost> <20010305205030.G80474@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010305125259.00cfdae0@localhost> <20010305142108.A17269@marx.marvic.chum> <4.3.2.7.2.20010306011342.045fb360@localhost> <20010306081025.A22143@marx.marvic.chum> <4.3.2.7.2.20010306092612.00b79f00@localhost> <20010306174618.N32515@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010311230800.00e19bd0@localhost> <15020.28993.192354.986367@guru.mired.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20010312223234.0445f3a0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010315075228.00e60ac0@localhost>
next in thread | previous in thread | raw e-mail | index | archive | help
At 05:59 PM 3/15/2001, Mike Meyer wrote: >Describing actions so they fit the world-view you want people to adopt >is a an accepted practice in political arguments. And Stallman's deceptive political rhetoric does exactly that. What is truly amazing is the sheer number of people who have been misled by it. Even as the Linux companies fail one by one, unable to make money due to the GPL, the zealots cling to Stallman's dogma. Perhaps for ego's sake. > Stallmans' acts are >exactly paralleled by the SPA's propoganda posters that say "Copying >is theft". They are quite literally calling you a thief for using >FreeBSD. No, they are doing no such thing. You've clearly gone off the deep end on this one. >You've shown me two separate quotes witn no context that, if put >together, imply he advocates theft. The context is on the Web. Find it if you're concerned that I quoted Stallman out of context (which I didn't). (I assume that you know how to type a phrase into a search engine.) >They no more prove that he has >done that than the SPA's propoganda - especially when tied with >Allchin's recent comments - proves that they want to make free >software illegal. Stallman has explicitly stated his intent. Many times over. >> Do you think I'd be using BSD if I did? It appears that you're >> now moving toward the paranoid loony fringe of the FSF, which >> has lately been touting this absurd, imaginary "threat." > >I'd say I'm reacting to a paranoid, looney dupe of the publishers >industry. Nonsense. I'm a programmer, author, and musician who would like to see creative people rewarded for their efforts. Stallman would destroy all such rewards. >Now that the public has become aware of publishers attacks on fair use >and artists rights, they are trying to demonize Stallman et. al. to >provide an excuse and you're helping them. Not so. The malevolence of Stallman's actions, and the harm they are doing, are clear to anyone who has seen their effects. And the publishers' actions are merely a reaction to Stallman and his ilk. Now that the Content War has begun, and users are simply acting as if there is no copyright, publishers are responding in kind and likewise acting as if there's no copyright. They are attempting to protect content via other means -- some of them onerous. Perhaps when people are bitten by these nasty alternatives they'll begin to realize just how beneficial the old balance was. >The only problem is that >their attacks date back to at least 1976; well before the GNU >Manifesto, the Free Software Foundation, and public access to the >internet - much less the availability of broadband access that you've >tried to blame. Not so. In fact, cases like the VHS case reaffirmed that there was a balance of rights and interests. It is only recently, with the escalation of hostilities, that both sides are throwing mutual respect and balance out the window. As you are in your intemperate remarks above. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
Want to link to this message? Use this URL: <https://mail-archive.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?4.3.2.7.2.20010315180735.00c71720>