Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:30:26 +1000 From: Andrew Snow <andrew@modulus.org> To: Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com> Cc: freebsd-stable <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... Message-ID: <48CF5282.10608@modulus.org> In-Reply-To: <2742CAB1-8FF2-425D-A3B6-0658D7DB8F4D@netconsonance.com> References: <1219409496.10487.22.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <593618A3-56DA-4891-A4A0-690E9A9C5B32@netconsonance.com> <F17BE4F1F989BB4A81EB94C36712A9736F3493@dni-mail.datanode.com> <20080904133604.GB1188@atarininja.org> <CB36FE28-D125-4C22-B5DE-1001515DD8A6@netconsonance.com> <47d0403c0809051319r3c82f87bhdb15ce5b0167987a@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.1.10.0809061159410.28840@fledge.watson.org> <2742CAB1-8FF2-425D-A3B6-0658D7DB8F4D@netconsonance.com>
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Jo Rhett wrote: > Because frankly we're going to be forced to run our own internal > release management process instead. > I guess this is not surprising, as this appears to be what every other > business using significant amounts of freebsd in production are doing > today. I'm afraid you've hit the nail on the head. Stable, Current, these words mean nothing to me anymore, I'm using 8-CURRENT to get stable ZFS with the ata driver from 7 (because 8's doesn't work), and the old BTX loader because the new one locks up on all my newer hardware. Then there's the bag of patches I am now carrying around from release to release, some for bug fixes and some for feature enhancements, none of which are in the base system for whatever reason. I think FreeBSD is getting in a difficult position now because there's so much cool new stuff being shoe-horned in, but without the necessary volume of contributors to back it up with testing and bug fixes. There's some truth to what you say, in that I would love to be directly contributing to the FreeBSD effort but instead I feel I'm running around putting out little fires all the time. Plus this era of 4 to 8 CPU cores has meant I am seeing bugs that are difficult to pin down and only occur under production load. - Andrew
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