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Date:      Thu, 01 Dec 2011 23:32:18 -0800
From:      Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
Cc:        freebsd-current <freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org>, Max Khon <fjoe@samodelkin.net>
Subject:   Re: WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes by default
Message-ID:  <4ED87F02.3060601@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <20111202072349.GA89183@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
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On 12/01/2011 23:23, Steve Kargl wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 10:59:59PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote:
>> On 12/01/2011 22:41, Steve Kargl wrote:
>>
>>> Having a set of profiled libraries in-sync with the static
>>> and shared libraries allows one to run the profiler on their
>>> code when someone changes a library and that change causes
>>> a dramatic change in the performance of one's code.
>>
>> And as Max pointed out in his OP, that only applies to a tiny fraction
>> of our users, or even our developers. If you want to use them, turn the
>> knob.
> 
> Not only do I want to use them, I do use use profiled libraries.
> All those changes to libm that I've submitted over the years
> have been run through the profile. 

I'm glad that you find them useful. How does changing the default affect
your ability to do that?

> More importantly, we are
> discussion freebsd-current.  I would hope that the other developers
> profile their changes to system before committing.  

I'd be happy if our developers would stop breaking the build.

>>> PS: David was not complaining about "fixing a 17 year old bug".
>>> He was stating that a single day of discussion changing
>>> a 17 year old practice seems a little too brief.
>>
>> If it's a good idea, it's a good idea no matter how many different ways
>> we flog it. :)
>>
> 
> I think it is a horrible idea.  Perhaps, we should discuss the
> technical issues before you start yet another bikeshed (see
> your recent posts concerning the ports repo for your hypocricy).

Um, you did see the smiley, right?



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