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Date:      Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:25:57 -0500
From:      Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman@cwis.biz>
To:        Chuck Swiger <cswiger@mac.com>
Cc:        User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: UPS question
Message-ID:  <5304A319-0406-4510-B6B2-8FD609239FF9@cwis.biz>
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Thanks, Chuck.

I talked with a former colleague that has a lot of experience in specing =
out UPS requirements (between battery-ready and generator-ready backups =
at the office they have up to 5 minutes of battery backup before the gas =
generator is needed with a 128-hour recharge time just to support their =
servers and wiring racks in the office).

He thinks that at 500W needed it would give me about 12 minutes on a =
1400VA. My consideration is, then, give the server 2 minutes on battery. =
If full power has not been returned, shut down the server but leave the =
modem (w/ wireless) and switch running with power for up to 6 hours.

Now I need to build a server (looking at RAID5 8x2TB) for less than =
$1600 w/o a CPU if I can... a local custom builder quoted me $4000 today =
for a full system inc. CPU, RAM and DVD.

--
Ryan

On Aug 11, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:

> Hi, Ryan--
>=20
> On Aug 11, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>> Total: 495W
>>=20
>> According to a calculator if I enter all that information:
>> http://www.csgnetwork.com/upssizecalc.html
>> It says that it will use 693VA.
>=20
> That sounds reasonable.  The better PSUs have "80 Plus" certification =
for efficiency, and that's better than the typical wall warts used for =
modems and switches and the like commonly manage.  (The efficiency =
they're assuming is a bit over 70%; using 80% would be around 600VA.)
>=20
>> Enter that into http://www.csgnetwork.com/batterylifecalc.html
>> It requires Amps... 495W  / 120 voltage =3D 4.125 amps... doesn't =
seem right but...
>> 192 hours... that's not right, right?
>=20
> Assume for discussion their number was right.  In order to get 495W of =
output load, the UPS needs to provide 693 volt-amps of juice to your =
equipment.  After the inverter and 10:1 stepup transformer used to =
convert 12VDC or whatever the UPS batteries are charged to up to 120VAC, =
the current needed would be 5.77 amps.  However, the 12VDC battery =
source itself would be getting a draw of 57 amps (ideally; again, the =
inverter+transformer themselves might only rate about 90% efficiency for =
very good quality UPS, so would be drawing more like 60 or 65 amps).
>=20
> A standard APC/Tripplite/whatever 700VA UPS tend so have a lead-acid =
battery reasonably similar to a car battery, and typically will have =
around 100 amp-hours of charge; they'd probably give you 90 minutes of =
backup time.  But you can look up the detailed specs of specific models =
and work from their amp-hour (or watt-hour) ratings-- actually, I think =
I'm guestimating more from what a 1200VA unit might provide, and a 700VA =
model is probably going to provide more like 40-60 minutes of power...
>=20
> Regards,
> --=20
> -Chuck
>=20
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