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Date:      Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:22:07 -0500
From:      Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: UPS for FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1411271433320.60866@wonkity.com>
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I agree with Warren on this, I've done the same.

The only issue with this is the proper disposal of the old batteries.

On 11/27/2014 16:48, Warren Block wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2014, Darren Pilgrim wrote:
>
>> A 750VA or 1000VA SmartUPS can be had for around $250, and every now 
>> and the big box stores and Walmart carry them for around $300.  Not 
>> too bad considering what you get.
>
> As I've said before, I prefer to buy the high-level APC units at 
> auctions, SUA1500 or the equivalent rackmount version.  The batteries 
> are always bad, but I have yet to have the UPS itself not work.  True 
> sinewave output, and, including the cost of new batteries, a 90% or 
> more discount.
>
> There are places that sell these refurbished also.
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As for the rest of the things on the follow up letters:

> SmartUPS SMT750, 750VA, sine output.
from their web site, under the SMT750 Features page:

  * Pure sine wave output on battery:Simulates utility power to provide
    the highest degree of compatibility for active PFC (power factor
    corrected) servers and sensitive electronics.

"Simulates" utility power.  This is the sneaky little bit of marketing.  
Saying it's sine output....  It is, but it's simulated.  I've been roped 
in by the APC marketing machine previously.

Basically, from my understanding, in today's market, you can't get True 
Double Sine conversion for less than $600 as the components that are 
necessary to provide that kind of clean power cost at least $400-$500.

> Also, someone mentioned Eaton, I've had several.  The story with each of
> them is bad.  The electronics failed in each instance and Eaton was not
> helpful at all.  They told me they would send a 'technician' for $175/hr
> to just diagnose the problem.  No thanks....Negativity bias. 

> Please keep this thread limited to factual information.

I'm sorry I don't understand the above.  I stopped using them about 8 
years ago after 4-5 units had gone bad.  *shrug*  To me, that's a fact. 
:-)  They were all of the same type.  Eaton power 1500 VA rackmount that 
were purchased new for about $1250 each.  Sorry, due to the time that's 
passed, I no longer have documentation about the purchase of that 
company's capital equipment.  However, if it's wrong to share my 
experiences with a product, that's fine and I won't.  These were all 
front end electronics failures, not the batteries.  However, trying to 
steer people clear of making a mistake....?  Eaton makes some awesome 
"large" units.  However, these were rack mount for a "small" server room.


 > As I said, the Opti-UPS I
> got was cheap... 2000VA 1400W and was $900 shipped to me.
You'll need to be more specific.  Opti-UPS makes both stepped and sine 
products.

Again, this is the "Durable Series".  They start with DS-1000 DS-1500 
DS-2000 DS-3000.  They are double-sine ouput.  I'm using them now.  I 
have a DS-2000 and a DS-3000.  (The DS-3000 required a 30A circuit with 
and L6-30 outlet be put in.)  However, the DS-2000 can work off a 
straight 20A 115W circuit.


Sorry, about the 'interspersed' posting.

P.





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