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Date:      Thu, 4 Feb 2016 13:50:27 -0800
From:      Bryan Drewery <bdrewery@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>, Glen Barber <gjb@freebsd.org>,  src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-projects@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r295280 - projects/release-pkg/release/packages
Message-ID:  <56B3C7A3.5000502@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <56B3C6E4.60907@FreeBSD.org>
References:  <201602042120.u14LKQ2b026571@repo.freebsd.org> <56B3C34B.1080501@freebsd.org> <56B3C6E4.60907@FreeBSD.org>

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On 2/4/2016 1:47 PM, Bryan Drewery wrote:
> On 2/4/2016 1:31 PM, Nathan Whitehorn wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 02/04/16 13:20, Glen Barber wrote:
>>> Author: gjb
>>> Date: Thu Feb  4 21:20:26 2016
>>> New Revision: 295280
>>> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/295280
>>>
>>> Log:
>>>    Add package files for libc, libedit, librtld_db, and libthr.
>>>       libedit is needed for sh(1), which if updated before runtime,
>>>    can cause undesirable behavior.
>>>       For the rest, the installation order needs to be:
>>>        1) librtld
>>>     2) libc
>>>     3) libthr
>>>       The dependency listing and shilbs_required entries ensure this
>>>    behavior.
>>
>> Are we really planning to split up the system at this level of
>> granularity? That seems like a huge regression from one of the main
>> selling points of FreeBSD: that it is *not* split up at this level and=

>> forms a unified system.
>> -Nathan
>>
>=20
> You are jumping to conclusions. Splitting how files are *tracked in
> metadata* changes nothing about what we are delivering in a release.
>=20
> What level does freebsd-update track the system? It seems it is per-fil=
e.
>=20
> This constant idea that splitting files in metadata is bad is hindering=

> progress greatly.
>=20

Also, pkg has no binary diff packages. The plan to release 11 with
packages is moving forward. Do we really want a multi-gigabyte world
package being downloaded so we can modify a security bug in
/etc/rc.d/jail? It makes no sense.

This commit in particular is wrong in that it does not go *far enough*.
Everything installed needs to be handled by dependency ordering.

The resistance to doing this correctly needs to just stop or we're going
to end up with a completely broken system.

--=20
Regards,
Bryan Drewery


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