Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 12:00:36 +0300 From: Dan Partelly <dan_partelly@rdsor.ro> To: David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Julian Elischer <julian@FreeBSD.org>, Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Message-ID: <7621BDAB-A409-456A-A3F1-A6CD9B371DBC@rdsor.ro> In-Reply-To: <5524F499-5042-407E-9180-43D15A53F3F0@FreeBSD.org> References: <E1asbZj-0003Ra-Qs@rmm6prod02.runbox.com> <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> <5716AD65.8070007@shrew.net> <BF66EA01-E073-45F0-8F9E-22D57E8871B0@bsdimp.com> <5716FA70.4080604@freebsd.org> <57170E5D.1090701@freebsd.org> <5524F499-5042-407E-9180-43D15A53F3F0@FreeBSD.org>
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IMO, the number of packages per-se is not a problem as long as you can = manage them without arcane commands, aliases, pipe - filters, or = scripts. (they all have their place, but less , the better) My point is = that I don't really want to keep on my head a Unix hacker hat. I (and = presumably many other humans ) like simple things,which allow me to type = a short command (preferably the whole system should be simple enough to = be explained in one-two pages in handbook) , wait for completion, and = get on with my life.=20 When I said people should pay more attention to Redmond and Cupertino, = this is what I meant. UIs are important. Easy service management, fault = reporting and so on should be automated. We shouldn't waste our time = doing what the computer should do in the first place. Most people want = to get the job done, so they can proceed with what is important for = them. I am very sorry if this is so offensive to some people that they = feel attacked, but unfortunately there aint much I can do to = alleviate this.=20 >=20 > 1) The number of packages that the base system has. > 2) The user interface by which the packages are presented. >=20 > I believe (and, please, correct me if I=E2=80=99m wrong), that all of = the complaints in this thread have been about the UI, not about the = underlying mechanism. That=E2=80=99s not to say that they=E2=80=99re = unimportant (quite the reverse), but that they can be solved = concurrently with the task of preparing the base system for distribution = in packaged form. >=20
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