Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:40:49 -0400 From: "Drew J. Weaver" <drew.weaver@thenap.com> To: "'heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk'" <heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk> Cc: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" <freebsd-isp@freebsd.org> Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) Message-ID: <B1A7D9973EBED3119ADD009027DC8649180F80@mailman.thenap.com>
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This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0BD26.031A6AE6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Enh, Redhat only starts everything if it is configured to start everything, and has utilities (and manual ways) of telling it not to start everything -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Heckford [mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:16 PM To: Drew J. Weaver Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) IMHO, redhat is a hell of a lot harder, due to the fact it launches every damn service you can think off, most of which are outdated and full of security holes, and when you try to update them linuxconf throws a fit becuase you didnt do it through a GUI. FreeBSD is a hell of a lot easier to set up as a server you can trust, without chewing your fingers off. Jamie On 2001.04.04 17:19 Drew J. Weaver wrote: > Just an off topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all > of > equal "difficulty" to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make me > shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make here? > > --- quoth the raven, --- > > Everybody should start with a *nix running on a publicly accessable box. > (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly really old versions of > Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X either - CLI, people!) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Chet Hosey > <chosey@nidhog.com> > ________________________________________________________________________ > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno Davids thus spoke: > > > > > | > Is there any way to trace who is doing it? | > Running tcpdump > > > with certain filter settings to avoid logging everything and > > > filling the disk? > > > > > > > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed version of bind... > > > | Every kid with a script and an internet connection is probably > > > | doing this to you!!! > > > > > This response kind of bothers me. There was a time > > > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers I emailed > > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. Similarly, when people > > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory emails. > > > > If you find a way this works let me know. I've given up doing this > > because except for the most well known, I've received rejects from > > all mail addresses at the offending provider, root,abuse, > > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just gave up and put the in > > the REJECT list. > > > > Those days responsible people, and not quick buck artists, we're > > keeping the 'net running. > > > > > There was a time when if you probed the Apache on my machine it > > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there _was_ a great deal > > > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, there's little mileage > > > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). :) > > > > I never was into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'. > > > > Bill > > -- > > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> > <HTML> > <HEAD> > <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> > <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2650.12"> > <TITLE>RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)</TITLE> > </HEAD> > <BODY> > > <P> <FONT SIZE=2>Just an off > topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all of equal > "difficulty" to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make > me shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make > here?</FONT></P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>--- quoth the raven, --- </FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>Everybody should start with a *nix running on a publicly > accessable box.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>(Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly really > old versions of</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X either > - CLI, people!)</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>_____________________________________________________________________ ___</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>Chet Hosey</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2><chosey@nidhog.com></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>_____________________________________________________________________ ___</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote:</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno > Davids thus spoke:</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | > Is there any way to trace who is doing > it? | > Running tcpdump</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > with certain filter settings to avoid logging > everything and</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > filling the disk?</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed > version of bind...</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | Every kid with a script and an internet > connection is probably</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | doing this to you!!!</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > This response kind of bothers me. There was a > time</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers I > emailed</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. > Similarly, when people</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory > emails.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> If you find a way this works let me know. > I've given up doing this</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> because except for the most well known, I've > received rejects from</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> all mail addresses at the offending provider, > root,abuse,</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just gave up > and put the in</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> the REJECT list.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Those days responsible people, and not quick buck > artists, we're</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> keeping the 'net running.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > There was a time when if you probed the Apache > on my machine it</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there > _was_ a great deal</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, > there's little mileage</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). > :)</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> I never was into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Bill</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> --</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to > majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the > body of the message</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > </P> > <BR> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of > the message</FONT> > </P> > > </BODY> > </HTML> -- Jamie Heckford Chief Network Engineer Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. 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FreeBSD - The power to serve ===================================== email: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk web: http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/ tel: +44 (0)1737 789 246 fax: +44 (0)1737 789 245 mobile: +44 (0)7866 724 224 ===================================== ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0BD26.031A6AE6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12"> <TITLE>RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Enh, Redhat only starts everything if it is = configured to start everything, and has utilities (and manual ways) of = telling it not to start everything</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Jamie Heckford [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk">mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.c= o.uk</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:16 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Drew J. Weaver</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep = crashing)</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>IMHO, redhat is a hell of a lot harder, due</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to the fact it launches every damn service = you</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>can think off, most of which are outdated and full = of security </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>holes, and when you try to update them linuxconf = throws a </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>fit becuase you didnt do it through a GUI.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>FreeBSD is a hell of a lot easier to set up as a = server</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>you can trust, without chewing your fingers = off.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jamie</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On 2001.04.04 17:19 Drew J. Weaver wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Just an off = topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> equal "difficulty" to administer, I = run all 3 and none of them make me</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're = attempting to make here?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> --- quoth the raven, --- </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Everybody should start with a *nix running on a = publicly accessable box.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except = possibly really old versions of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No = X either - CLI, people!)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = ________________________________________________________________________= </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Chet Hosey</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <chosey@nidhog.com></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = ________________________________________________________________________= </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion = wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, = Enno Davids thus spoke:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > | > Is there any way to trace who = is doing it? | > Running tcpdump</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > with certain filter settings to avoid = logging everything and</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > filling the disk?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > | Dont bother... Just install the = fixed version of bind...</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > | Every kid with a script and an = internet connection is probably</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > | doing this to you!!!</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > This response kind of bothers me. = There was a time</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > when everytime I could sanely trace = spammers I emailed</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise = them. Similarly, when people</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory = emails.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > If you find a way this works let me = know. I've given up doing this</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > because except for the most well known, = I've received rejects from</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > all mail addresses at the offending = provider, root,abuse,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I = just gave up and put the in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > the REJECT list.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Those days responsible people, and not = quick buck artists, we're</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > keeping the 'net running.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > There was a time when if you probed = the Apache on my machine it</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues = aside, there _was_ a great deal</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > of satisfaction there... Needless to = say, there's little mileage</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > in this now (damned M$ service = packs!). :)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > I never was into 'revenge' or = 'tit-for-tat'.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Bill</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > --</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . = com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" = in the body of the message</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the = body of the message</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML = 3.2//EN"></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <HTML></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <HEAD></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" = CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <META NAME=3D"Generator" = CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2650.12"></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <TITLE>RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: = Named Keep crashing)</TITLE></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </HEAD></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BODY></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&am= p;nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>Just an off</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat = are all of equal</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> &quot;difficulty&quot; to administer, I = run all 3 and none of them make</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> me shiver in my boots. Not sure what point = you're attempting to make</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> here?</FONT></P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--- quoth the = raven, --- </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Everybody should = start with a *nix running on a publicly</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> accessable box.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(Note: Linux = doesn't count here, except possibly really</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> old versions of</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Slackware. = Damned RH makes things too easy. No X either</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> - CLI, people!)</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT = SIZE=3D2>____________________________________________________________= ____________</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Chet = Hosey</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&lt;chosey@nidhog.com&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>____________________________________________________________= ____________</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On Wed, 4 Apr = 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote:</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; On Wed, = Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Davids thus spoke:</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; | &gt; Is there any way to trace who is doing</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> it? | &gt; Running = tcpdump</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; with certain filter settings to avoid logging</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> everything and</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; filling the disk?</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; | Dont bother... Just install the fixed</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> version of bind...</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; | Every kid with a script and an internet</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> connection is probably</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; | doing this to you!!!</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; This response kind of bothers me. There was a</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> time</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; when everytime I could sanely trace spammers I</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> emailed</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Similarly, when people</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; probed Apache I'd send off adivsory</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> emails.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; If you = find a way this works let me know.&nbsp;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I've given up doing this</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; because = except for the most well known, I've</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> received rejects from</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; all = mail addresses at the offending provider,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> root,abuse,</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = postmaster, webmaster, etc.&nbsp; So I just gave up</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> and put the in</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; the = REJECT list.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Those = days responsible people, and not quick buck</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> artists, we're</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; keeping = the 'net running.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; There was a time when if you probed the Apache</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> on my machine it</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> _was_ a great deal</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; of satisfaction there... Needless to say,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> there's little mileage</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; in this now (damned M$ service packs!).</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> :)</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I never = was into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = Bill</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = --</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Bill = Vermillion -&nbsp;&nbsp; bv @ wjv . com</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To = Unsubscribe: send mail to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; with = &quot;unsubscribe freebsd-isp&quot; in the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> body of the message</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>To Unsubscribe: = send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>with = &quot;unsubscribe freebsd-isp&quot; in the body of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> the message</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </BODY></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </HTML></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jamie Heckford</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Chief Network Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. 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