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Date:      Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:06:25 -0400
From:      "Duncan, John" <jddst19@srg.psych.pitt.edu>
To:        "'freebsd-small@freebsd.org'" <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   FreeBSD for PalmPilot/Palm III
Message-ID:  <B57B47656446D111BDCE0060B01A8CAE05D123@srg.psych.pitt.edu>

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Hi guys-

Is anyone on this list interested in FreeBSD for handheld computers,
notably
the PalmPilot and the Palm III? If so, I'd like to join the discussion,
and if not,
it would be interesting to create it.

If you haven't noticed, there is a Linux development team for the Pilot.

I think it would be cool to see what are the truly necessary parts of
FreeBSD, and to what extent FreeBSD can be implemented on a small
machine like the Pilot. One thing is for sure: the Pilot version can
only
keep the "Spirit of FreeBSD" and not borrow too much of the actual
source--the chip is Motorola's Dragonball 68328 Integrated Microcomputer
which resembles a 68000 with lots of added hardware. All of it is
dissimilar
to anything FreeBSD runs on now. A major benefit of this project would
be
the ability to translate small source onto the large model and make
FreeBSD
Amiga, FreeBSD NeXT, etc.

We could also go into versions for WindowsCE machines. After all, who
really wants WindowsCE? It's junk. What could be really cool would be to
create a FreeBSD EEPROM for some of those CE machines and let people
replace it.

In the future, Palm machines will be Flash-upgradeable, which makes the
capacity to which an alternative OS can run much greater. For now, the
PalmPilot Professional and better have a TCP/IP stack, Serial, Graphics
and
Input libraries, and a number of hidden "features" that make hacking it
a bit
like hacking a Macintosh. Actually, a lot like hacking a Mac. In
addition, the
EEPROM is easy to get at, and thus can be replaced. 3Com is much nicer
to their owners than Apple used to be as far as tweaking these little
machines, so if this list were to talk to them we might find out a lot
about what
can be done.

If people are interested, let's get this discussion going.

One request: if you don't think that this is a worthwhile venture,
please don't
go off about how you think it's stupid, unreasonable, unfeasible. In a
way, the
PDA is all of these things, but there's no reason to keep UNIX off of
them.
Besides... Are we going to let Linux and Microsoft get the better of
this market?

-John

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