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Date:      Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:15:47 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Matthew Grooms <mgrooms@shrew.net>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8)
Message-ID:  <BF66EA01-E073-45F0-8F9E-22D57E8871B0@bsdimp.com>
In-Reply-To: <5716AD65.8070007@shrew.net>
References:  <E1asbZj-0003Ra-Qs@rmm6prod02.runbox.com> <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> <5716AD65.8070007@shrew.net>

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> On Apr 19, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Matthew Grooms <mgrooms@shrew.net> wrote:
>=20
> On 4/19/2016 3:09 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>> As far as I know, nobody is taking the source code or the Makefiles
>> away, so if somebody doesn't like the system being distributed with
>> pkg, they can very well roll their own.
>>=20
>> It's nice to see the level of enthusiasm the FreeBSD project can
>> muster, I just wish it wasn't always enthusiasm for stopping =
progress.
>>=20
>=20
> Maybe I missed an email in this thread, but I don't recall anyone =
completely rejecting the idea of packaging the base system. What I see =
is a discussion related to doing it in the best way possible.

Sadly the tenor and tone of the discussion isn=E2=80=99t one where =
progress is made. The tone has been a bit toxic and demanding, which =
grinds people into dust, rather than motivating them to fix things. You =
might call it a discussion, but it reads to me more as a bunch of angry =
villagers storming the castle. No good can come from that. Tone down the =
outrage by a factor of 100 and try to have the conversation again.

Warner


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