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Date:      Fri, 8 Nov 2019 21:35:57 +0100
From:      Tomasz CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info>
To:        "Steve O'Hara-Smith" <steve@sohara.org>
Cc:        =?UTF-8?Q?Tomasz_Boles=C5=82aw_CEDRO?= <tomek@cedro.info>,  "James E. Pace" <james@pacehouse.com>,  FreeBSD Questions Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: 12.1 on Thinkpad - problem making graphics work
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my two cents to the release process / attitude:

the issue is that i did a release upgrade and my machine is useless out of
the box.

even worse it crashes the os with mounted root what eventually results in
data corruption! no need to mention that data is more precious than
hardware itself.

the issue is that it should work out of the box without "reading the entire
issue" or waste several hours just to fallback to incomplete setup. this is
not Linux. i avoid Linux for that.

FreeBSD was always "it works stable or its not part of stable" (not to
mention a release).

We should not accept, ever, this kind of rush, just because others do. We
avoid Windows and Linux for that. We never should accept a situation like
this in FreeBSD!
i never upgraded a server until NN.1 was out. now i have concerns even
about NN.1.

--
CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info



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