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Date:      Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:06:57 -0800
From:      "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
To:        "Garance A Drosehn" <gad@FreeBSD.org>, <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!
Message-ID:  <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNAEGBFAAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
In-Reply-To: <p06200719be32cccbba5f@[128.113.24.47]>

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garance A Drosehn [mailto:gad@FreeBSD.org]
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:59 PM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org
> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as
> NetBSD!!!
> 
> 
> 
> And frankly, most FreeBSD commiters do not read the -advocacy or
> -questions mailing lists (I never read advocacy, for instance).  So
> maybe only three or four committers have explicitly expressed support
> for a LOGO CONTEST.

Are you just too dense to understand that supporting a logo contest
automatically implies that you are unsatisfied with the current
logo?  If you like Beastie why on earth would you want a contest
to replace him?

For the last time, it is not the contest that I and others are
objecting to.  It is what you intend to do with the results of
the contest - that is, replace Beastie.

> How many committers have responded here saying
> just how much they hate the idea of even running the contest?
>

Why would they bother posting at all?  It is not they who are
being attacked - it's you and the others who want to dump Beastie
and replace him.  Of course since they aren't being attacked
they aren't going to have a need to defend themselves.
 
> And let me say once again, this is FOR a LOGO contest -- which is
> not the same as being "Anti-beastie".  All of us have said that
> the Beastie will remain as a mascot.

An hour ago you posted this:

"if our much-larger user base has any interesting ideas for a new logo"

you did NOT say:

"if our much-larger user base has any interesting ideas for a logo"

Your statement implied that a logo already existed - which in fact it
does.

You also said:

"Somehow the ones who like the PRESENT logo seem to think.."

What I see here is that when your using the "we never had a logo
before" argument, you pretend a logo didn't exist, but all other
times you acknowledge that it does exist.

Ted



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