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Date:      Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:14:34 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Doug White <dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu>
To:        Nate Williams <nate@sri.MT.net>
Cc:        Denis Malyavin <denism@mol.net.my>, questions@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Hello
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.91.960430170941.2520C-100000@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu>
In-Reply-To: <199604300124.TAA01656@rocky.sri.MT.net>

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On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, Nate Williams wrote:

> > > Do you think its worth to install FreeBSD on my system?
> > 
> > It'll be tight, depending on what you put on.  you need to have enough 
> > space either on there or on another FreeBSD machine to build a new kernel 
> > for.  You _want_ to apply the Nomad PCMCIA patches.   
>             ^^^^^^
> 
> Hey, I take offense at that.  The code in the Nomad's patches now exists
> almost completely in -current, plus there are lots of bug-fixes for the
> APM code in -current that doesn't exist in the Nomad patches.

Yes, but most of us don't want to run -current, especially on a laptop. 
We had to upgrade our Dell to the SNAP so that we could keep up with the
patches, which are based on it.  But that thing won't run -current as long
as I say so.  Maybe this desktop, yes, but the laptop is a toy, and we
can't spend our time fiddling with it.   We spend enough time fiddling 
with our machines as it is, and they're all on 2.1.  

If Denis wants to run -current, he can.  I was assuming for the 2.1-R case.

> If people don't run the actual FreeBSD code we'll never get real working
> laptop support in a FreeBSD release.  I emailed Hosokawa-san about this,
> and he agrees.  The Nomad code will continue to be 'alpha' quality
> containing hacks and bad things that 'make things work', intended for
> proof of concept than actual implementations.

Then put it in -stable.  -Current is too UNstable for non-hackers to 
run.

> However, the code in -current, while still containing some hacks, is
> trying to be a more 'usable' solution for laptops.

Exactly.

Doug White                              | University of Oregon  
Internet:  dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu    | Residence Networking Assistant
http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite    | Computer Science Major




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