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Date:      Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:36:29 +0000 (GMT)
From:      "Jason C. Wells" <jcwells@u.washington.edu>
To:        phil grainger <freebsd@pronet.net.au>
Cc:        advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: copyright
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.980612001710.285A-100000@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu>
In-Reply-To: <Version.32.19980612100839.00f3d100@m1.gdr.net.au>

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On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, phil grainger wrote:

FreeBSD will not become a charity. I am pretty sure that I speak for all
when I say this. I know that Mr. Hubbard has said this before.

Invoking the term "dogma" leads to the irrelevance of ones position. When
one says, "That is purely dogmatic" then the discussion approaches
irrelevance.

Dogmatism only leads to irrelevance when you subscibe to opposing dogma.
Dogmatism can otherwise be considered "the short and sweet" parts of a
long drawn out evolution of a concept that a person who is a "suscriber"
to a particular dogma can present to someone whose position is somewhere
in the middle.

There are certain dogmatic statements we here in this community may make
to one another in the interest of brevity.

"Free software is the best software," is an example of a dogmatic
statement that most of "us" can agree with. For me it is an a priori
premise. M$ would might claim we were being dogmatic. Poof... there goes
any meaningful conversation between M$ and FreeBSD.

>maybe advocacy is becoming an irrelevent part of the freebsd project.

If this is the point of that exercise in non-readability then allow me to
reply.

FreeBSD-advocacy is in it's infancy. Advocacy hasn't really even formed
yet. Currently, it is merely a mailing list.

Now let me make my point in rebuttal. Don't lay your negative trip on me.
I _believe_ in FreeBSD as a product and as a community. Advocacy will
become relevant through the efforts of it's members. This will occur when
people provide solutions to criticisms instead of just the criticisms.

We have seen one activity spawn itself. Users are reporting articles
around the net. No one told the users to do this. They are just doing it.
This will become useful in time.

Watch our birth and growth a little while before your proclaim our death.

Catchya Later,		|	UW Mechanical Engineering
Jason Wells		|	http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/
			|	206-633-5994



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