Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 01:40:24 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Cc: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: From Slashdot... Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9902010129030.486-100000@thelab.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <80474.917843727@zippy.cdrom.com>
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On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > The people I'm aware of who use FreeBSD as a serious desktop are
> > using KDE. It complies with open standards, and has the disctinct
>
> This in no way explains the failure of XiG to market CDE to the
> FreeBSD market whereas it had a success with the Linux market.
I think this one comes back to 'market-share' and 'niche', which I
*think* is what you are getting at too...
Does anyone have an clue as to what the ratio is of
Linux->FreeBSD? Reasonably intelligent estimates?
> > technology needed to layer software; for a desktop, this is a
> > System V style rc structure. It's just not worthwhile working on
>
> I don't agree that desktops fundamentally require a SysV rc structure.
That one kinda lost me too...half the time, I can never figure out
*why* there are the layers that Solaris has. I can see rc0 (halt), rc1
(single user) and rc2 (full system), but why a special rc3 (network)?
*shrug*
> > You might want to rehold the contest, if you can promise that the
> > winner's code will go on the CDROM as something other than a port,
>
> I seriously and honestly doubt that this would make the slightest
> difference. I know you don't agree, but I simply haven't seen any
> real evidence to lend weight to the above assertion.
Too many choices in ports..do you go gnome or kde, twm or fvwm95?
I *believe* that there is discussions about improving the install
procedure by breaking it down into packages? have one of the 'package
options' be what window manager gets install...defaulting to one (gnome or
kde?) if no choice is made, and making one of the options "none"...
Were I a new user to Unix, in general, being dumped into a command
line shell is a little daunting...and going into ports and deciding which
one to go with is doubly so :(
We need a freebsd-desktop mailing list :)
> > so that is not the problem. Rather, xBSD does not have
> > the fbdev driver system and the next release of KGI is
> > not done yet. If these problems can be fixed (not by me),
> > all of this should work on xBSD as well.
>
> Why not by you? "If not you, who else?" :-)
Can someone point me to docs on *what* this is all about? I
*might* be able to organize something at the University towards this, but
need a starting point to work from...we have a few FreeBSD guys mixed in
with the thousand or so Linux users...
Marc G. Fournier
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
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