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Date:      Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:13:46 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Alex Zepeda <garbanzo@hooked.net>
To:        "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>
Cc:        current <current@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: newbus and modem(s) 
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9904180911420.83760-100000@zippy.dyn.ml.org>
In-Reply-To: <1011.924426030@zippy.cdrom.com>

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On Sun, 18 Apr 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> > I'm as excited as anyone to see progress, especially if it means the
> > ability to modularize the kernel and load various drivers on demand.  But,
> > alas, it seems this whole thing was rushed horribly.
> 
> Not at all, it's simply something which will require some time to work
> out the details of in -current.

Which means that it perhaps should be worked out before being merged. Take
for instance CAM.  It didn't work perfectly, but it sure got a lot more
exposure than newbus, and when it was integrated it caused very few
problems.

> People forget all too often that -current is the bleeding edge and you
> shouldn't even bother (truly) to track it unless you're willing and
> able to bleed occasionally.  I'm actually always happy to see this
> lesson driven home again when it looks like people are getting waaaaay
> too complacent about -current. :-)

Well, why not make ext2fs the default fs just to shake things up?  It's
one thing to expect panics and soon, but it's another thing to import code
that wasn't ready.

- alex



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