Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:51:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Seth <seth@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org> To: Alex Zepeda <garbanzo@hooked.net> Cc: Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net>, Gregory Sutter <gsutter@pobox.com>, Jim Mock <jim@blues.ghis.net>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy site Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9908050946200.46324-100000@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990804213210.18940A-100000@fish.hooked.net>
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On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Seth wrote: > > > > Gosh that was *so* hard. In fact I bet someone with a bit more awk > > > expertise could create a more automated sh script. > > > > Actually, yes, it *is* that hard. I can't use fetch due to firewall > > restrictions on User-Agent (don't ask; I can't/won't give more detail). > > If it's just a restriction on the User-Agent string, it would be trivial > to modify fetch to "fake" it. I know that Jim at one time was toying with > the idea of setting up a CVSup server to mirror the site, I don't know if > that ever got finished to completion. You're now asking me to violate corporate policy for the sake of a volunteer effort. > > > In addition, what assurances did I have that any diffs submitted were > > going to get better treatment than the other "pr's" I sent? Even the > > ones whose diffs were not necessary (due to the problem being obvious) > > weren't fixed. > > You get no assurances, and that's OSS for you. Expecting more is wholey > unreasonable. For instance if you could commit fixes, could we rely on > you to dedicate a sizeable chunk of your time to closing PRs? Actually, you could. Why not go through GNATS and search? Funny, your name comes up only once. > > > Again, not laying blame. But if we're going to do it over, we might as > > well try to improve upon the process. > > > > > Uh, yeah. Right. It's *all* their fault. Not the fault of the lazy > > > masses. > > > > > Be careful who you're accusing of being lazy. In this case, you may > > well succeed in alienating any potential contributors. Volunteering > > works both ways. > > I see two main types of people involved w/ advocacy of all sorts (sadly I > see the same trend in the American public): those that say and won't do > and those that do as well as speak up. > > When I saw someone describe the advocacy site itself as a call for help; > that really struck a chord with me. How many people volunteered and > contributed to that site? Certianly not I, Or even daemonnews? > Considering that the FreeBSD userbase is estimated in the millions, it was > a pretty poor showing. > > When you start worrying about words alienating possible contributors, > you've entered the viscious circle of political correctness. My intent > was not to single anyone out, or insult anyone (or any group); perhaps it > would be better interperted as a call to arms (so to speak). > You achieved the exact opposite of your intentions. Here's how I see it: By your own admission, you didn't even try to help. Who's bitching, and who's not? Until and unless you want to help (and this includes sending pr's, even if you're not qualified to correct them), what gives YOU the right to accuse anyone else of bitching? Too bad. The one thing the project doesn't need is more hypocrites. SB > - alex > > You better believe that marijuana can cause castration. Just suppose your > girlfriend gets the munchies! > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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