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Date:      Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:35:44 +0100 (WEST)
From:      Joao Pagaime <jpsp@rccn.net>
To:        Tom <tom@sdf.com>
Cc:        scsi@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD 3.2 / Slow SCSI Dell PowerEdge 4300
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910141617130.15842-100000@atlas.rccn.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9910140622150.11329-100000@misery.sdf.com>

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Thanks for the response!

Sorry if I read a little strange, but I'm no SCSI specialist.

However Dell does refer in the manuals to the board where the disks plug
into as "backplane".  Probably this isn't the rigth nomenclature.
I think the server has a RAID option - with a different "backplane" -
that we didn't purchase.

In all cases I'm stuck with that board, because the disks draw power
from it - signaling/data and power in the same SCSI interface (I'm
sure that has a simple name for that...)
   I'm not even sure if I can connect that "backplane" to a normal
SCSI controller (like an SCSI Card 2940U2W) because the architecture
seems very proprietary...

The disk optimization is a 'must' then...  From 2 MB/s to something
close to 80 takes a great deal of optimization.

Thanks,
Joao Pagaime

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FCCN - Fundacao para a Computacao Cientifica Nacional - Tel: 351-1-8440100

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Tom wrote:

> 
> On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Joao Pagaime wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > I have a very slow Pentium III/450 with 512MB RAM
> > because disks tranfers are slow.
> > 
> > Simple tests show a transfer rate of +/- 2MB/sec, 
> > when a PC with IDE can do easily at least 4 times
> > that value.
> > 
> > I think the problem is with the "Common Access Method"
> > in the backplane, because although the controllers are
> > found with no problem :
> 
>   What backplane?
> 
> > ahc0: <Adaptec aic7890/91 Ultra2 SCSI adapter> rev 0x00 int a irq 11 on
> > pci2.4.0
> > ahc0: aic7890/91 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs
> > ahc1: <Adaptec aic7860 SCSI adapter> rev 0x03 int a irq 11 on pci2.6.0
> > ahc1: aic7860 Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 3/255 SCBs
> > 
> > The backplane is reported as having only 3.3 MB transfer rate :
> > 
> > pass2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0
> > pass2: <DELL 1x6 U2W SCSI BP 5.12> Fixed Processor SCSI-2 device 
> > pass2: 3.300MB/s transfers
> 
>   That isn't a backplane.  That looks like some kind of special SCSI
> device on your chain.  Perhaps it is a backplane status reporting device
> of some sort.  But it is not the backplane itself.
> 
> > Did anyone experience the same problem ?
> > Can someone help me ? 
> > Any hints ?
> > Any configurarion at the CAM level ? - I configured the kernel
> >     to debug CAM but I can only reboot the machine in a few
> >     hours...
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Joao Pagaime
> > 
> > PS: the disks are also reporter correctly :
> > 
> > da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
> > da1: <WDIGTL WDE9180 ULTRA2 1.20> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
> > da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit)
> > da1: 8687MB (17793001 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1107C)
> > 
> > da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
> > da0: <WDIGTL WDE9180 ULTRA2 1.20> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
> > da0: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit)
> > da0: 8687MB (17793001 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1107C)
> 
>   These wouldn't be Western Digital Enterprise drives would they?
> 
>   They are very poor drives.  There are some messages in the archives that
> you need to disable some features on them in order to get the performance
> up to a reasonable level.
> 
>   Also, make sure you have a spare.  They have a tendency to die too.
> Usually in the 6months to 1year range.
> 
> 
> > And here are a few miserable tests :
> > 
> > 
> > Sparc Entreprise 1000 - very old :
> ...
> 
>   But they use some rather nice Seagate drives.  As I recall.  I belive
> that Sun uses only Seagate in all their higher lines.
> 
> 
> Tom
> 



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