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Date:      Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:15:09 -0800 (PST)
From:      Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>
To:        cjclark@alum.mit.edu
Cc:        Luigi Rizzo <rizzo@aciri.org>, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Fixing ipfw(8)'s 'tee'
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0111071614100.71994-100000@InterJet.elischer.org>
In-Reply-To: <20011107154601.A301@blossom.cjclark.org>

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On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Crist J. Clark wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 09:34:04AM -0800, Luigi Rizzo wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:12:41AM -0800, Crist J. Clark wrote:
> > ...
> > > About 'accepted,' but I don't believe this is the intended
> > > behavior. For outgoing packets, one copy is sent to the divert port
> > > and the other is routed to the destination on the packet.
> > ...
> > > I'm not really sure if I understand what 'tee' is needed for. Why
> > > not just have whatever is listening on the 'tee' divert socket write
> > > packets back in? This also works around the issue that 'tee' packets
> > > are immediately accepted by the firewall. But if we want to keep
> > > 'tee,' it probably should work.
> > 
> > for sure we can replace tee with divert as you say, but then
> > you would depend on the userland app to do its work (and you
> > could have drops on the divert socket, whereas forwarding within
> > the kernel is much faster).
> > 
> > There is not an issue of accept vs. deny a "tee" packet, if
> > you want to deny it you just use a "divert" rule instead.
> 
> The issue may be that you wish to make a decision on the packet in
> later rules. For example, someone might wish to 'tee' all traffic to
> and from a certain machine to some unspecified traffic monitoring
> program listening on the divert socket. However, all of the traffic
> too and from that IP address may or may not be allowed by the security
> policy. With 'tee' as it exists, one cannot catch _all_ of the traffic
> (whether or not allowed by policy) and still apply policy.
> 
> But does everyone agree the current behavior of 'tee' is broken? The
> firewall should not be passing packets not destined for itself up the
> stack; it should be forwarding them, right?

Forwarding is achieved by passing it to the stack.
It's the stack that decides to forward..




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>                                    |     cjclark@jhu.edu
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