Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:26:21 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Pilosov <alex@pilosoft.com> To: "C. Stephen Gunn" <csg@waterspout.com> Cc: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with VLAN and natd. Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.10.10101031218370.25327-100000@spider.pilosoft.com> In-Reply-To: <200101031711.MAA70291@tsunami.waterspout.com>
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On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, C. Stephen Gunn wrote: > I agree that you could educate ifconfig in the ways of netgraph > and hide it all behind the command interface you propose. It's a > migration to a broader view of interfaces for ifconfig(8). Right > now, ifconfig(8) is basically a front-end for ioctl()'s on a single > network existing interface. Well, with netgraph support it'd be ioctls plus netgraph's messages. I don't think it'd be THAT incompatible or bloated compared to original ifconfig. > The UNIX paradigm is powerful because of many well-made, single-task > tools. In most regards, ifconfig is complete. Adding significant > functionalty causes ripples. For starters, libnetgraph moves into > libstand, and picobsd. Or we could fork ifconfig(8) to have two > variants. Sometimes in the course of human events it is necessary to break with compatibility ;) I believe netgraph is sufficiently advanced and well-made system that it should be used as much as possible. > I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying that it makes me feel > dirty and violated. > > </SOAPBOX> > > > Given their lack of netgraph, and apparent reluctance to implement it, > > that doesn't seem much of a problem at this time. > > Yup. I'd prefer to see FreeBSD take the higher-road and strive to > be compatible and cooperative whenver possible. Instead of continued > isolation, divergance, and proprietization. Hey, I don't even > currently run Net/OpenBSD. ;-) There's nothing that would prevent OpenBSD people from taking netgraph and implementing it. I run OpenBSD, and threw the idea a few times on their mailing lists, and response was less than enthusiastic...Which lead me to choose FreeBSD for my next networking project. :) -alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message
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