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Date:      Thu, 31 May 2018 10:23:33 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Daniel Eischen <deischen@freebsd.org>
To:        Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com>
Cc:        Johannes Lundberg <johalun0@gmail.com>, freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: [RFC] Deprecation and removal of the drm2 driver
Message-ID:  <Pine.GSO.4.64.1805311004450.15754@sea.ntplx.net>
In-Reply-To: <20180531101643.GV3789@kib.kiev.ua>
References:  <20180524160234.GD68014@FreeBSD.org> <201805241610.w4OGAAGY041280@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <20180530235156.310870d0@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <CAECmPwvFkO6Qc_7kZowCHdSEVQwV12ZomsbTe4=X=sp7pW=7Kg@mail.gmail.com> <20180531101643.GV3789@kib.kiev.ua>

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On Thu, 31 May 2018, Konstantin Belousov wrote:

> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 08:34:44AM +0100, Johannes Lundberg wrote:
>
>> We're not replacing anything. We are moving the older drm1 and drm2 from
>> kernel to ports to make it easier for the majority of the users to load the
>> correct driver without conflicts.
>
> You do understand that you increase your maintainence load by this move.
> dev/drm and dev/drm2 use KPIs which cannot be kept stable even in stable
> branches, so you will need to chase these updates.

I agree.  One argument previously made was that it's easier
to maintain in ports.  One data point from me - I rarely
update my ports, I update my OS much more frequently.  In
fact, some times my ports get so out of date I just
(take off and) nuke /usr/local (from orbit, it's the only
way to be sure).

Also, are we trying to solve a problem by moving drm[2] to
ports that won't be a problem when base is pkg'ized?  If
drm[2] is a package unto itself, then you don't have this
problem of ports conflicting with it, at least not so
much.  You can either not install the base drm[2] package
or deinstall it to make way for a conflicting port.  Once
drm[2] is pkg rm'd, it's not going to be reinstalled
again when you update the base OS.

And don't we have the same problem with sendmail and a
few other base services?

-- 
DE



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