Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:39:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Sung Nae Cho <sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu> To: Chris BeHanna <behanna@zbzoom.net> Cc: FreeBSD-Stable <stable@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: [OT] Re: If you think people use FreeBSD for server, you must've been outta school for long long time! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0107292301330.16401-100000@quasar.phys.vt.edu> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.32.0107292227540.7317-100000@topperwein.dyndns.org>
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, Chris BeHanna wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Gregory Bond wrote: > > > > > >Subject: Re: If you think people use FreeBSD for server, you must've been outta school for long long time! > > > > All I can say is that it is a pity no-one thought fit to add killfiles to my > > mailer. > > Go to http://www.perl.com and search on "Mail::Audit". :-) > > To Sung Cho: please go out and take an MSF course, buy yourself a > motorcycle, and go enjoy those excellent roads not too far from you > (Blue Ridge Parkway, etc.--esp. VA 16 through Hungry Mother State > Park). I think it will do wonders for your attitude. > > For further attitude adjusting, continue on up to West Virginia and > ride around the New River Gorge Area.. > > To bring this back to FreeBSD: I've been running FreeBSD as a > desktop (except at work :-( ) for a couple of years now, and I've been > very happy with it. Speed? Heck, I just pulled 110 MFLOPs out of a > LINPACK benchmark on my 1.333 GHz T-Bird (DDR SDRAM *almost* makes > this box the equivalent of Kent's dual coppermine). It'll be > interesting to build an SMP box based upon AMD CPUs. That will > probably also cut my winter heating bill. :-) > > Praise be to Jordan and the whole FreeBSD team. One of these days > (perhaps soon), I'll finally make a contribution. > > Hey, Chris. I've put this message couple days ago, almost a week old! I have been a FreeBSD user for quite a while and matured enough using this OS in such way that I no longer seek help but, most of the time, giving help to newbies who just started using FreeBSD. However, I have to tell you that I have tried Redhat 7.1 with 2.4.x kernel and it just amazed me in every area (performance, hardware support for my fairly new laptop!). I agree FreeBSD is good OS in certain areas. But it does seem to lack in desktop area and hardware support. My new optical usb mouse doesn't run on FreeBSD. I have been working on it for more than a month but still couldn't get it to work! At the end, I had to settle with my old "wheel" based mouse which I'm really tired of cleaing the dirt every week! After some serious thought (it's always very hard to make transition!), I have finally decided to switch to Linux for 4 reasons: 1) KDE, GNOME and other Window managers are only 100% compatible with Linux. I've discovered only 90% of KDE and GNOME functionality work on FreeBSD. (NO JAVA support! I couldn't get any JAVA applications to run on FreeBSD). I'm kind of suspicious about compatibility between GNU C/C++ compilers and FreeBSD also. 2) My laptop is only 100% supported under Linux with kernel 2.4 and 2.4 is very fast. Under FreeBSD, I have to disable the "doze" mode for CPU otherwise, FreeBSD won't even boot! USB seems to be conflicting with other components in system also so none of the USB devices are working at least for my laptop. 3) When installing very large files like Mozilla, teTeX and XFree86-4, FreeBSD takes forever to install! Even with async option enabled, the package for teTeX takes good 15 minutes, Mozilla good 20 minutes to unzip and install. It takes forever unzipping XFree86-4 source for compilation under FreeBSD. And my machine isn't that archaic, it's 500Mhz, 128M, UDMA 33 Hard drive! Under Linux, installing teTeX took only 10 sec or so. 4) None of the NVIDIA cards are supported in FreeBSD. Sure it runs, but only with 2D, unaccelerated mode. I'm not bashing FreeBSD here. It's just that, FreeBSD seem to be more suited for server purpose than desktop arena. Lastly, what's with FreeBSDers saying Linux takes forever to boot than FreeBSD? Redhat by default enables everything! I turned off services I don't need and it takes less than 5 sec booting my laptop. For me FreeBSD took longer to boot (more like 20-30 sec). Maybe it's different for nonlaptops. I just wanted clarify that I wasn't bashing FreeBSD. I was mearly pointing out my "wishes". Anyways, I will be unsubscribing the FreeBSD stable list in couple days or so. If you read my previous messages, you would have understood how frustrated I was having to make transition! (I probably installed both Redhat and FreeBSD back and forth 10 times last week! 3 time this morning before I finally made up my mind.) Now, I need to concentrate on physics and less of OS. Regards, Sung N. Cho, Sunday, July 29, 2001. Dept. of Physics, Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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