Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman <chris@bb.cc.wa.us> To: "Jan B. Koum " <jkb@best.com> Cc: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Advocates, speak up! (re: just something to say) Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.3.94.980704002254.23865C-100000@bb.cc.wa.us> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980703231509.19026B-100000@shell6.ba.best.com>
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Those are soon to be FreeBSD, but they run Apache. :-) Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com) Computer Support Analyst I (509)-762-6341 FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Jan B. Koum wrote: > > And also > > xfilesmovie.com > alien-resurrection.com > anya.com > bulworth.com > drdolittle.com > volcano.com > foxmovies.com > > -- Yan > > Jan Koum jkb@best.com | "Turn up the lights; I don't want > www.FreeBSD.org -- The Power to Serve | to go home in the dark." > ---------------------------------------+----------------------------------- > ICMP: What happens when you hack into a military network and they catch you. > > On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Chris Coleman wrote: > > > > >FreeBSD in Hollywood > > Check out these FreeBSD/Apache run web sites: > > www.volcano.com www.romeoandjuliet.com www.speed2-cruisecontrol.com > > These are run by www.gisolutions.com > > > >Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com) > >Computer Support Analyst I (509)-762-6341 > >FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ > > > >On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Jan B. Koum wrote: > > > >> > >> Here is my list of companies which would appeal to suit wearing > >> droids. Lets add to it and make it biger: > >> > >> www.yahoo.com > >> www.hotmail.com > >> www.ebay.com > >> www.best.com > >> www.whistle.com > >> www.pluris.com > >> www.linkexchange.com > >> > >> If you have a 4 cpu PPro SMP machine with 1Gig of RAM sittig on > >> the T3 serving a lot of traffic it won't make it on the list. We need > >> companies which actually make money.. and A LOT of money (Yahoo, best, > >> etc) from using FreeBSD. > >> > >> -- Yan > >> > >> Jan Koum jkb@best.com | "Turn up the lights; I don't want > >> www.FreeBSD.org -- The Power to Serve | to go home in the dark." > >> ---------------------------------------+----------------------------------- > >> ICMP: What happens when you hack into a military network and they catch you. > >> > >> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Wes Peters wrote: > >> > >> >My hidden microphone recorded Jan B. Koum (jkb@best.com) saying: > >> > > >> >% > >> >% Hi all, > >> >% > >> >% I just wanted to say something here since this list has been quite > >> >% lately. Basically, many of you already know this, but anyway. > >> >% Whenever I have to convince someone who is not very technical why > >> >% they should use FreeBSD, I usually try not to bore them with how great our > >> >% vm is, or why is it better to have centralized and hence better controlled > >> >% code. I usually tell people something like this: > >> >% "Look, here is an example: yahoo. Their stock is skyrocketing and > >> >% they are doing excellent. Yes, they are using FreeBSD. They have in house > >> >% support for it, but still, they must know what they are doing - their > >> >% whole operation is FreeBSD based. Another example is Hotmail. Even though > >> >% they got bought by MS, they are still using FreeBSD on the front end to > >> >% run their servers since NT couldn't' handle the load. Want another > >> >% example? Take a look at Best Internet -- they jut filed for IPO". > >> >% Something in the lines of the above paragraph usually gets a > >> >% message through to the suits that to have successful company you don't > >> >% need NT or Solaris. You just need to have people with a clue. But that is > >> >% another subject. > >> > > >> >Frank Pawlak called me yesterday to chat about what is happening, and > >> >what isn't, in FreeBSD-Advocacy. As we talked, we decided success > >> >stories like the above are *exactly* what we need to convince business > >> >people (i.e. "suits") that FreeBSD is a suitable choice for *their* > >> >business. > >> > > >> >Managers may not be the smartest people in the world -- if they were, > >> >they'd be kernel VM developers -- but they are extremely risk averse. > >> >In other words, they don't want to stick their necks out.. In order > >> >for them to say yes to using FreeBSD, they want to see two things: > >> > > >> >1) A business case. How will using FreeBSD improve their bottom line, > >> > versus say NT or Linux on a server, or Linux, VxWorks, QNX, LynxOS, > >> > etc. in an embedded system? > >> > > >> >2) A success story (or 20). They want to make sure they're NOT breaking > >> > new ground; that is "risk taking," which is severely punished in most > >> > (US, at least) companies. > >> > > >> >Frank and I agreed that an outline for a prototypical success story would > >> >be helpful to this group, and an EXAMPLE success story would be even more > >> >helpful. Since I volunteered to write one a while ago, he *encouraged* > >> >me to get on with it. ;^) > >> > > >> >I'll be doing that this weekend, as long as my life doesn't intrude. > >> >(See below). > >> > > >> >Please, folks, if you have any contributions to make in this discussion, > >> >hop in now. Take the initiative like Frank did - find another Advocate, > >> >or someone who should be an Advocate, call him or her on the phone, send > >> >direct email. > >> > > >> >% Anyway, happy 4th to those who celebrate (I don't, I just enjoy > >> >% the day off) and lets make some noise on this list. > >> > > >> >*I* spent the afternoon riding a steam train with my family, including my > >> >two-year-old daughter, who walked up and down the train several times going "choo > >> >choo choo." She charmed the other passengers nearly as much as she charmed > >> >me; they would make whistle sounds "woo woo" as we passed. We also got to > >> >meet Karl Malone, of the Utah Jazz NBA (pro basketball) team; he had rented > >> >the caboose for a family outing. > >> > > >> >We learned a bit of American history, too: the rail route for this train, > >> >through Provo Canyon in north-central Utah, was first surveyed by the US Army > >> >Corps of Engineers as a possible route for the transcontinental railroad in > >> >1839, by a young engineering officer named Jefferson Davis. Mr. Davis was > >> >later the first (and only) president of the Confederate States of America, > >> >near whose capitol I was born, as was my father and older brother. > >> > > >> >Happy Birthday, America! > >> > > >> >-- > >> > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > >> > > >> >Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > >> >http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > >> > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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