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Date:      Wed, 22 Sep 2021 10:29:32 +0000
From:      Chris Stephan <chris.stephan@live.com>
To:        Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>, "current@freebsd.org" <current@freebsd.org>, "arch@FreeBSD.org" <arch@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: [HEADSUP] making /bin/sh the default shell for root
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I completely agree. It will save me the =91/bin/sh=92 at the beginning of e=
ach =91su -=91 session. Also, it will simplify building extra small FreeBSD=
 images, allowing an easier removal of =91csh=92.

I use csh from time to time, but I do wish it would take a much more explic=
it action so my brain has switched over to =91csh mode=92. I won=92t lie th=
at I=92ve pasted script into my terminal and spent time troubleshooting why=
 the commands didn=92t work only to realize I forgot to change to /bin/sh f=
irst.

Chris Stephan

Sent from FreeBSD
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From: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org <owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org>=
 on behalf of Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:36:45 AM
To: current@freebsd.org <current@freebsd.org>; arch@FreeBSD.org <arch@FreeB=
SD.org>
Subject: [HEADSUP] making /bin/sh the default shell for root

Hello,

TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!

For years now, csh is the default root shell for FreeBSD, csh can be confus=
ing
as a default shell for many as all other unix like settled on a bourne shel=
l
compatible interactive shell: zsh, bash, or variant of ksh.

Recently our sh(1) has receive update to make it more user friendly in
interactive mode:
* command completion (thanks pstef@)
* improvement in the emacs mode, to make it behave by default like other sh=
ells
* improvement in the vi mode (in particular the vi edit to respect $EDITOR)
* support for history as described by POSIX.

This makes it a usable shell by default, which is why I would like to propo=
se to
make it the default shell for root starting FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE (not MFCed=
)

If no strong arguments has been raised until October 15th, I will make this
proposal happen.

Again just in case: THIS IS NOT A PROPOSAL TO REMOVE CSH FROM BASE!

Best regards,
Baptiste


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