Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:13:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: Glenn English <ghe@slsware.net>, freebsdQuestions <questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1509161009110.50308@wonkity.com> In-Reply-To: <20150916095120.9a44b05a.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <alpine.BSF.2.20.1509151329030.76298@wonkity.com> <E6FDE819-14B8-4906-8E9C-F297341781E7@slsware.net> <867fnr1lwy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <D5276C30-F75D-4C2B-9C21-F80502CFA30D@slsware.net> <20150915225637.05c1ffad.freebsd@edvax.de> <alpine.BSF.2.20.1509151906420.69660@wonkity.com> <20150916095120.9a44b05a.freebsd@edvax.de>
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On Wed, 16 Sep 2015, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:09:42 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: >> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Polytropon wrote: >> >>>>> You say that you can't "quit >>>>> back to the console," which in my mind could mean two different >>>>> things. >>>> >>>> Ah! Nothing works, mouse, keyboard, nothing except the power button. >>> >>> This sounds familiar - X, HAL & DBUS fun. :-) >>> >>> http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html >> >> That article is somewhat obsolete and can be replaced with "Use vt(4)." > > So an addition of the "vt vs. sc" topic would be nice, if > (and _really_ if) those HAL side effects are no longer > significant. I think HAL has been deprecated in Linux for > some time now, and more and more packages are dropping > it as a dependency or component, and that's a _good_ thing, The Handbook X chapter needs a rewrite. I've talked about it, but not had time to actually do it. > If I remember correctly, that's DBus's fate as well - being > deprecated and replaced by something Linux-centric (probably > a kernel mechanism). Maybe we can take the *Kit stuff with > that trash in the near future, too? :-) systemd on many (most?) distributions now, I think. >> Problems can also be caused by cargo-culting an xorg.conf file, rather >> than trying with an empty one. > > Typically not found in a fresh install. :-) But carefully added by far too many people. :) >>> I have configured X to work without HAL and DBUS and PolicyKit >>> and ConsoleKit and who knows what stuff... but if you're going >>> to use Xfce, you better keep those dependencies or many things >>> inside Xfce won't work as expected. >> >> Not necessary. I use dbus with xfce, but HAL is not needed and the rest >> need little or no configuration. > > Nice to hear that. Was about time. :-) > > I'd still be interested if system power control and automount > capabilities still require fiddling with the *Kit's XML files > scattered across the /usr/local subtree. :-) Entries are needed for polkit to enable shutdown. The pkg-message shows them. There are several ways to go about automounting, none of which I've bothered with in the last couple of years.
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