Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 02:36:35 +0400 From: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" <uwe@ptc.spbu.ru> To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Subject: [Markus.Kuhn@cl.cam.ac.uk: Who still uses FreeBSD and why?] Message-ID: <20010601023635.B5284@snark.ptc.spbu.ru>
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--5vNYLRcllDrimb99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline FYI. SY, Uwe -- uwe@ptc.spbu.ru | Zu Grunde kommen http://www.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/ | Ist zu Grunde gehen --5vNYLRcllDrimb99 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from flux.ptc.spbu.ru (flux.ptc.spbu.ru [195.19.225.195]) by snark.ptc.spbu.ru (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA05919 for <uwe@snark.ptc.spbu.ru>; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 00:29:51 +0400 (MSD) Received: from humbolt.nl.linux.org (IDENT:root@humbolt.nl.linux.org [131.211.28.48]) by flux.ptc.spbu.ru (8.11.2/8.11.2/cf-1.1.rbl) with ESMTP id f4VKTr101956 for <uwe@ptc.spbu.ru>; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 00:29:54 +0400 (MSD) Received: (root@humbolt.nl.linux.org) by humbolt.nl.linux.org id <S96434AbREaU3i>; Thu, 31 May 2001 22:29:38 +0200 Received: from mta1.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.0.15]:48905 "EHLO wisbech.cl.cam.ac.uk") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id <S96435AbREaU3X>; Thu, 31 May 2001 22:29:23 +0200 Received: from trillium.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.8.5] helo=cl.cam.ac.uk ident=mgk25) by wisbech.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.092 #1) id 155Z4M-0001C2-00 for linux-utf8@nl.linux.org; Thu, 31 May 2001 21:29:22 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3+CL 01/14/2001 with nmh-1.0 To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Subject: Who still uses FreeBSD and why? X-URL: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:29:22 +0100 From: Markus Kuhn <Markus.Kuhn@cl.cam.ac.uk> Message-Id: <E155Z4M-0001C2-00@wisbech.cl.cam.ac.uk> Sender: owner-linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Bram Moolenaar <Bram@moolenaar.net> wrote: > I'm on FreeBSD 4.2. *BSD has probably the worst locale support of all Unix variants currently on the market, lagging several years behind what other OSes offer. I strongly recommend developers of i18n-related applications to to dump their FreeBSD installation asap and get a Red Hat, SuSE or Debian distribution installed instead, all of which are based on glibc 2.2 and have not only state-of-the-art locale support but lot of other goodies. I can think of no good reason today to stick with FreeBSD's antique C library and it seems not on the horizon that the FreeBSD community will also move to glibc any time soon. At this point, the use of FreeBSD becomes really counterproductive. Portable programming becomes now routinely hindered by the argument that this and that nice X/Open, C99, etc. feature is available on any major Unix except for FreeBSD. The occasional FreeBSD user that I still run into usually has this fundamental belief or idea that there is something inherently better about the BSD kernel than Linux. There is this ideologic notion that BSD is nicely structured, clean and academic, whereas Linux is an ugly dirty hack, a notion that originated from the earliest history of Linux almost a decade ago. But when challenged to back this up with any data, the FreeBSD folks I know quickly admit that they actually haven't compared the systems for several years at least and are unaware of the incredible amount of work that was put into Linux in the mean time (repeated complete clean and nice rewrites of very major subsystems like the networking stack, etc.) [Warning: my praise for the Linux kernel excludes the control function parser of the console driver ;-] > You are probably going to suggest I install Linux instead... The advantage of Linux is that it has managed to become a major standard platform, second only to M$-Windows. I expect it seriously to overtake the Microsoft platforms within the next 10 years, simply due to its stability. > I still haven't heard a reason why setlocale() needs to be case-sensitive. It isn't in glibc. Markus -- Markus G. Kuhn, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge, UK Email: mkuhn at acm.org, WWW: <http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/>; - Linux-UTF8: i18n of Linux on all levels Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-utf8/ --5vNYLRcllDrimb99-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message
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