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Date:      Sun, 05 Nov 2000 19:27:10 -0800
From:      Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@cup.hp.com>
To:        "John W. De Boskey" <jwd@bsdwins.com>
Cc:        "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.org>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@FreeBSD.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src Makefile
Message-ID:  <3A06250E.E752CF4B@cup.hp.com>
References:  <200011052244.OAA60716@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001105161514.A7914@dragon.nuxi.com> <20001105193652.A14868@bsdwins.com>

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"John W. De Boskey" wrote:
> 
> ----- David O'Brien's Original Message -----
> > On Sun, Nov 05, 2000 at 02:44:49PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > > jkh         2000/11/05 14:44:49 PST
> > >
> > >   Modified files:        (Branch: RELENG_4)
> > >     .                    Makefile
> > >   Log:
> > >   removed duplicated "start" message for world target.
> >
> > Adding the duplicated "start" message was intentional -- so it would be
> > easy to see how long the `make world' took.
> >
> > Personally I prefer the duplicated message and would like to see it
> > return.  With it I then don't have to either save the output to a file to
> > see how long it took, or the times I do save the build output, I don't
> > have to go looking thru the output file.
> >
> > --
> > -- David  (obrien@FreeBSD.org)
> >           GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX
> 
>    I have to agree with David. I have code which depends on these
> values at the end of the world/release logs.
> 
>    May I be so bold to ask where this was discussed beforehand?
> I'd like to see other folks' pros and cons.

From Jordan's point of view it makes sense to remove the duplicate at
the end. Having the start, milestones and finish in the proper order
without duplicates, makes the grep more pleasing.

From David's point of view, it make sense to know when it started if you
would only see the last lines of the output. Only in this case the time
elapsed is the information that's actaully wanted.

If we combine these views, we have a "start" mesage at the beginning and
use that and the "end" message to synthesize the elapsed time, which we
emit after the "end" message. This should work, no matter what viewpoint
is taken, right?

-- 
Marcel Moolenaar
  mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org
  tel:  (408) 447-4222


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