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Date:      Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:23:18 -0500
From:      "David E. Wexelblat" <dwex@DataFocus.com>
To:        "'Bruce M. Walter'" <walter@fortean.com>
Cc:        "'devel@XFree86.Org'" <devel@XFree86.Org>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   RE: interested in working on windows port (sorry for cross post)
Message-ID:  <CE3283EB3AE9D011BF4B0020AFF8FDD72ED4A0@hercules.fairfax.datafocus.com>

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Exceed is Hummingbird's product, isn't it?  Or is there something
else with the same name as the Hummingbird product?  They certainly
do have Windows NT support; we ship it (optionally) with NuTCRACKER,
and it supports both WinNT and Win95.

Note that single-window mode and fullscreen mode aren't the same
thing.  I'm pretty sure Hummingbird does single-window mode; I
know several others do.  I'm not sure that any of the PC X servers
do true full-screen mode.

I'm not at all saying that we shouldn't do single-window mode.
I'm saying (a) that multiwindow mode is awfully important for
a Win32 X server, and (b) I have been told by people who write
these things for a living that DirectX in a window doesn't produce
any performance benefits over GDI unless you are in fullscreen mode.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Bruce M. Walter 
> Sent:	Monday, January 05, 1998 10:16 AM
> To:	David E. Wexelblat
> Cc:	'devel@XFree86.Org'; hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject:	RE: interested in working on windows port (sorry for
> cross post)
> 
> On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, David E. Wexelblat wrote:
> 
> > 1) From what I have been told by more than one PC X server
> > manufacturer, DirectX is going to be a waste of time.  DirectX
> > only gets major performance improvements when it can take over
> > the entire screen.  When running in a window, it's not a major
> > win over raw GDI code.  As far as I know, none of the PC X server
> > vendors use DirectX.
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > I have never seen anyone use anything other than multi-window mode
> > (well,
> > we do have a couple of ISVs selling turnkey boxes, who I have been
> told
> > do use single-window mode).
> 
> Exceed for 95 does full-screen quite well.  In fact, I can't stand it
> any
> other way ;) 
> 
> Being primarily a Unix developer with certain Windoze requirements I
> need
> an environment where I can switch between the two in an instant.  With
> Exceed in full-screen mode, you can't tell this is a Windoze box until
> you
> hit <CTRL>-<ESC>...  The price tag and lack of NT support are my only
> big
> bones to pick, although nice fast MPG animations would be nice.
> 
> IMHO, doing a version without full-screen capability would be a
> mistake.
> 
> - B
> 
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