Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:22:44 -0700 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: <port-macppc@netbsd.org>, "markemmanuel" <lists@markemmanuel.org> Cc: "FreeBSD Advocacy" <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org> Subject: RE: Off topic but interesting... Message-ID: <001701c0d45a$3fa818a0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <B716FBA4.1926%lists@markemmanuel.org>
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Hi Mark, I'm following this up in Advocacy rather than Questions because as you said it doesen't belong there. Many of the responses on that are reasoned and are not out of line. Some are, like the DeadBSD. (which I thought was kind of cute) But, you have to keep this in mind - the Linux community has had a fairly severe blow to it's pride here. Everyone knows deep down that the GPL wasn't the real reason Apple didn't use Linux, because the Linux advocates have emphasized numerous times that it's only required to kick back mods to the GPL package to GNU, just because you happen to use a chunk of GNU software in your software doesen't mean it entirely exposes your code. There's plenty in the Linux distribution that Apple could have used, not to mention X windows itself which isn't even GPL. The real reason is simply that Apple didn't think that there was anything that compelling in the Linux distribution that it wanted. In short, from Apple's view, Linux just simply wasn't good enough to bother with. It's no wonder that so many of the Linux faithful all hate Apple now - they aren't dumb and they see this as a subtle slam against Linux, which it is, no getting around that. Apple's one of the first major commercial software OS makers out there who has publically said that BSD software is production-quality. Note they didn't say Linux is production quality, they said BSD is. Despite what we all feel about Apple it is still doing a billion and a half dollars in sales, and it's making a profit, which when you have Microsoft and Sun as your main competitors is no mean feat. There's a LOT of people out there who 6 months ago didn't know Linux or BSD from washer soap, who are studying the BSD market now, not the utterances of Linus Torvalds. That's a pretty nasty knock to a movement that appears to value image as much as they do. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of markemmanuel >Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:12 PM >To: port-macppc@netbsd.org; Questions freebsd.org >Subject: Off topic but interesting... > > >I saw this on Linux Today. > >http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-05-02-012-20-OP-BD > >I'm not writing this email regarding the Zdnet article. I'd like everyone >to check out one or two of the feedbacks at Linux Today. A whole slew of >people are ripping on the BSD and Apple Open Source Licenses. I honestly >believe that these people are worse than the Mac Zealots of old. >What makes >it worse is they don't understand what BSD stands for. They seem to have >this godlike demeanor that I still haven't see with the BSD folks. If it's >not GPL or Linux, it's bad. The growing attitudes and sentiments is what >made me try out NetBSD and FreeBSD. > >I mean, they talk about free but they give me no options or choices with >what I can do with their code. They also call Linus a benelovent dictator >while the BSD seems to have a knights of the round table thing going on. >After trying out BSD, I probably won't be going back to Linux anytime soon >because the BSDs feel more superior technically and community-wise than >Linux. > >I just would like to everyone that has helped me on these lists >directly and >indirectly for being simply good people. > >Peace, >Markemmanuel > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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