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Date:      Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:16:32 -0500 (CDT)
From:      Joe Greco <jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com>
To:        fyeung@netific.com (francis yeung)
Cc:        hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: webbox with bsdi
Message-ID:  <199608121916.OAA08871@brasil.moneng.mei.com>
In-Reply-To: <199608121142.LAA29783@fyeung5.netific.com> from "francis yeung" at Aug 12, 96 11:42:38 am

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> Greetings,
> 	The WebBox is a standalone BSDI system designed for
> 	personal web browsiing on TV. It contains no
> 	hard disk and has a CD drive.

So it has a hard disk, just of a different type   :-)

> 	Is there a way that I can generate a standalone FreeBSD
> 	without hard disk ? What should I do with the swap space
> 	area ? Is there a virtual disk system (memory based) in FreeBSD ?
> 	If there is a one, can I assign the swap space to a file which
> 	resides in the virtual file system ? 

No.  You wouldn't want to stick swap in a MFS anyways...  it would be silly
to swap from RAM to RAM when you could have just left it in RAM to begin
with.

What you _can_ do:  design a MFS that fits within the kernel (the way the
boot.flp is built) and stick tcpdump in it.  Stick it on a floppy.  (I make
this sound much easier than it is; I once built a router floppy using this
technique and jammed _lots_ of utilities on it; it took all night to get
it halfway right).

Make sure you have the RAM to support the application.

> 	I have no intention to build a web box. But I want to create
> 	a floppy disk with a very small kernel which will run tcpdump
> 	so that I can use it as standalone traffic monitor to be used
> 	by the school for monitoring student's network traffic.
> 	It has to be standalone system and should NOT be downloaded from
> 	the network. Basically, the system gets booted up from the floppy
> 	disk and starts traffic monitoring.

Unless you have a compelling reason to make this work off of floppy (i.e.
you don't have a dedicated machine which implies that you might be a student
who is illicitly spying on others without the consent of the school)... I
advise that you just pop for the hard disk and be done with it.  Much less
effort.

On the other hand... Web boxes..  interesting concept.

... JG



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