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Date:      Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:24:26 
From:      "=?iso-8859-1?B?TeFyY2lvIERhdmlk?=" <marciofdavid@hotmail.com>
To:        daniel@grunblatt.com.ar, marcus@marcuscom.com
Cc:        culverk@wam.umd.edu, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD ? What kind of OS is that ?
Message-ID:  <F102yz5b6KZmcK8r6be000094d5@hotmail.com>

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<P>Huummm.. Dude, I used all the OSs I could (not much, but all I could find), in fact I'm still looking for OS/2. Ppl say it's dead, but who cares !? I junt wanna install it, see it working and find some programs for it. Why ? Cuz I like it. Cuz I'm curious. Why I said that things about Unix-like OSs ? Cuz I tried many of them and hated, but I thing it's not a reason to do not install another one... I'll try it again and again and will come back to windows (problably) but at least I found something new. Learned something many Windows users don't know. I tried even Amiga OS ! On a A500 once ! But my favorite is Basic, from MSX ! hehe I love Basic programming.</P>
<P>But I think it's not the time to install other unix-like. Wanna something diferent right now.</P>
<P>Ah, cya no more.</P>
<P>MD -&gt; Yeah, I'm using Windows, so what ?</P>
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<DIV>&gt; </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Please, understand the diference between kick that asshole and believe in 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;this project, and between everyone and our fellow ... anyway send him to 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;www.freebsd.org, I don't think any of us should lose time because he does 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;not wan't to do anything. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Joe Clarke wrote: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Well, I'd like to make everyone's FreeBSD experience (or lack of 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; experience) a good one. I've been using FreeBSD for 6 years now, and I 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; really believe in this project. If we start flaming everyone, we'll turn 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; into another Linux users list. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Joe Clarke 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Daniel Grunblatt wrote: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Is it really usefull to answer to such an asshole? why don't you just tell 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; him that freebsd sucks and he must stay as far as he can from it? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Joe Clarke wrote: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; A screenshot of FreeBSD is somewhat useless. Bring up a bash shell in 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; BeOS, and you've got a good idea. However, like with Linux, there are 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; many different X11 desktops (like KDE, Gnome, xfce), and window managers 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; (afterstep, windowmaker, twm, mwm, sawfish, enlightenment, etc.). Going 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; to any one of their pages will show you screenshots of what those 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; interfaces can do. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Joe Clarke 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, [iso-8859-1] Márcio David wrote: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanx everyone for the replys. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Maybe I'll check this FreeBSD someday, when i have some free time (and a 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; free HD... dont wanna have 2 OSs in the same HD..) 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; About the MacOS X, well, i had an iMac 233 and had lots of hardware 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; problems (most of them in my monitor ! Just after about 1 year using 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it...). And Macs are REALLY expansive in my country... I can buy about 3 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; good pcs with the money... 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I'll still with Windows and BeOS for now... 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Just one more thing.. Can you give me a link for some FreeBSD 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; screenshots ? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Gotta go. cya. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; MD 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;To add to Ken's comments, if you want to use a really nice, and easy OS 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;with FreeBSD under the covers, I recommend Mac OS X. I know you'll have 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;to buy new hardware for it, but it will definitely satisfy most of what 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;you want. The GUI comes up out of the box, networking is a snap, and 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; root 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;is disabled ;-). 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;While I persoanlly love FreeBSD, I'd hate to recommend it saying it will 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;be the OS of your dreams. If you're looking for something like Windows, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;FreeBSD is probably not for you. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Joe Clarke 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I'm using M$ Win ME right now. I tried windows 95/98/ME/2K, MacOS, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Linux (many distributions), BeOS, and some others OSs ! hehe Well, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; looking at all those OSs, I decided to continue with my old M$ 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; OS........ But now I wanna something new ! Something diferent... 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; not 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; just a new stupid linux distribution that takes 5 hours to make it 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; work and about a month to make the damn internet work. So, i would 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; like to know if FreeBSD is a DIFERENT OS, or it's just another 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; "Linux-like" OS. Exemple : Will i see a stupid prompt asking me to 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; type "root" when i turn on my computer ? Will i have to use wich 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Graphical interface ? (please, say it's not KDE...) Guess that's 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; all. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; OK, lets answer your questions. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 1) As for ease of use: it's not windows, if you took 5 hours to get 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; linux 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; working, (any distribution) and a month to get the internet working, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; then 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; FreeBSD will most likely be harder for you. If you want ease of use 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; stick 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; with winblows or BeOS. Just for comparison though, once you get 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; everything 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; working, you'll find that you can install and configure a system in 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; less 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; than an hour, sometimes 30 minutes. (on my machine, that's faster 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; than 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; windows installs, and I have only ever installed FreeBSD from the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; network, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; never from CD) 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 2) Linux-like is the wrong way to put it. FreeBSD is UNIX-based, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Linux is 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; a UNIX clone, so Linux is UNIX-Like, and FreeBSD is UNIX-based. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 3) When you first install the machine, you will see a login prompt, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; this 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; is expected behavior for any UNIX based or UNIX like operating 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; system, and 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it's not stupid, it's just not windows as I said before. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 4) You can choose which Graphical Interface is installed when you're 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; installing the operating system. KDE-2, Gnome, Windowmaker, etc... 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it's up 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; to you. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 5) to me it seems like your idea of a good os is one that is easy and 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; doesn't crash much. Well I've never had FreeBSD crash, and it's hard 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; to 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; learn at first, but once you learn it, it becomes easier, and more 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; logical 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; than windows. (I can fix a FreeBSD problem in minutes usually, most 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; often 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; without even rebooting the machine, where my windows expert friends 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; often 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; fix their problems by rebooting the machine) 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ken 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
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