Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:24:26 From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?TeFyY2lvIERhdmlk?=" <marciofdavid@hotmail.com> To: daniel@grunblatt.com.ar, marcus@marcuscom.com Cc: culverk@wam.umd.edu, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD ? What kind of OS is that ? Message-ID: <F102yz5b6KZmcK8r6be000094d5@hotmail.com>
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<html><DIV></DIV> <P>Huummm.. Dude, I used all the OSs I could (not much, but all I could find), in fact I'm still looking for OS/2. Ppl say it's dead, but who cares !? I junt wanna install it, see it working and find some programs for it. Why ? Cuz I like it. Cuz I'm curious. Why I said that things about Unix-like OSs ? Cuz I tried many of them and hated, but I thing it's not a reason to do not install another one... I'll try it again and again and will come back to windows (problably) but at least I found something new. Learned something many Windows users don't know. I tried even Amiga OS ! On a A500 once ! But my favorite is Basic, from MSX ! hehe I love Basic programming.</P> <P>But I think it's not the time to install other unix-like. Wanna something diferent right now.</P> <P>Ah, cya no more.</P> <P>MD -> Yeah, I'm using Windows, so what ?</P> <P> </P> <DIV>> </DIV> <DIV></DIV>>Please, understand the diference between kick that asshole and believe in <DIV></DIV>>this project, and between everyone and our fellow ... anyway send him to <DIV></DIV>>www.freebsd.org, I don't think any of us should lose time because he does <DIV></DIV>>not wan't to do anything. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Joe Clarke wrote: <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> > Well, I'd like to make everyone's FreeBSD experience (or lack of <DIV></DIV>> > experience) a good one. I've been using FreeBSD for 6 years now, and I <DIV></DIV>> > really believe in this project. If we start flaming everyone, we'll turn <DIV></DIV>> > into another Linux users list. <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > Joe Clarke <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Daniel Grunblatt wrote: <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > > Is it really usefull to answer to such an asshole? why don't you just tell <DIV></DIV>> > > him that freebsd sucks and he must stay as far as he can from it? <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Joe Clarke wrote: <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > A screenshot of FreeBSD is somewhat useless. Bring up a bash shell in <DIV></DIV>> > > > BeOS, and you've got a good idea. However, like with Linux, there are <DIV></DIV>> > > > many different X11 desktops (like KDE, Gnome, xfce), and window managers <DIV></DIV>> > > > (afterstep, windowmaker, twm, mwm, sawfish, enlightenment, etc.). Going <DIV></DIV>> > > > to any one of their pages will show you screenshots of what those <DIV></DIV>> > > > interfaces can do. <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > Joe Clarke <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, [iso-8859-1] Márcio David wrote: <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > Thanx everyone for the replys. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > Maybe I'll check this FreeBSD someday, when i have some free time (and a <DIV></DIV>> > > > > free HD... dont wanna have 2 OSs in the same HD..) <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > About the MacOS X, well, i had an iMac 233 and had lots of hardware <DIV></DIV>> > > > > problems (most of them in my monitor ! Just after about 1 year using <DIV></DIV>> > > > > it...). And Macs are REALLY expansive in my country... I can buy about 3 <DIV></DIV>> > > > > good pcs with the money... <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > I'll still with Windows and BeOS for now... <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > Just one more thing.. Can you give me a link for some FreeBSD <DIV></DIV>> > > > > screenshots ? <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > Gotta go. cya. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > MD <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >To add to Ken's comments, if you want to use a really nice, and easy OS <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >with FreeBSD under the covers, I recommend Mac OS X. I know you'll have <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >to buy new hardware for it, but it will definitely satisfy most of what <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >you want. The GUI comes up out of the box, networking is a snap, and <DIV></DIV>> > > > > root <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >is disabled ;-). <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >While I persoanlly love FreeBSD, I'd hate to recommend it saying it will <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >be the OS of your dreams. If you're looking for something like Windows, <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >FreeBSD is probably not for you. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >Joe Clarke <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > I'm using M$ Win ME right now. I tried windows 95/98/ME/2K, MacOS, <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > Linux (many distributions), BeOS, and some others OSs ! hehe Well, <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > looking at all those OSs, I decided to continue with my old M$ <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > OS........ But now I wanna something new ! Something diferent... <DIV></DIV>> > > > > not <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > just a new stupid linux distribution that takes 5 hours to make it <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > work and about a month to make the damn internet work. So, i would <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > like to know if FreeBSD is a DIFERENT OS, or it's just another <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > "Linux-like" OS. Exemple : Will i see a stupid prompt asking me to <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > type "root" when i turn on my computer ? Will i have to use wich <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > Graphical interface ? (please, say it's not KDE...) Guess that's <DIV></DIV>> > > > > all. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > OK, lets answer your questions. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > 1) As for ease of use: it's not windows, if you took 5 hours to get <DIV></DIV>> > > > > linux <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > working, (any distribution) and a month to get the internet working, <DIV></DIV>> > > > > then <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > FreeBSD will most likely be harder for you. If you want ease of use <DIV></DIV>> > > > > stick <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > with winblows or BeOS. Just for comparison though, once you get <DIV></DIV>> > > > > everything <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > working, you'll find that you can install and configure a system in <DIV></DIV>> > > > > less <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > than an hour, sometimes 30 minutes. (on my machine, that's faster <DIV></DIV>> > > > > than <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > windows installs, and I have only ever installed FreeBSD from the <DIV></DIV>> > > > > network, <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > never from CD) <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > 2) Linux-like is the wrong way to put it. FreeBSD is UNIX-based, <DIV></DIV>> > > > > Linux is <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > a UNIX clone, so Linux is UNIX-Like, and FreeBSD is UNIX-based. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > 3) When you first install the machine, you will see a login prompt, <DIV></DIV>> > > > > this <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > is expected behavior for any UNIX based or UNIX like operating <DIV></DIV>> > > > > system, and <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > it's not stupid, it's just not windows as I said before. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > 4) You can choose which Graphical Interface is installed when you're <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > installing the operating system. KDE-2, Gnome, Windowmaker, etc... <DIV></DIV>> > > > > it's up <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > to you. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > 5) to me it seems like your idea of a good os is one that is easy and <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > doesn't crash much. Well I've never had FreeBSD crash, and it's hard <DIV></DIV>> > > > > to <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > learn at first, but once you learn it, it becomes easier, and more <DIV></DIV>> > > > > logical <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > than windows. (I can fix a FreeBSD problem in minutes usually, most <DIV></DIV>> > > > > often <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > without even rebooting the machine, where my windows expert friends <DIV></DIV>> > > > > often <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > fix their problems by rebooting the machine) <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > Ken <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ <DIV></DIV>> > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org <DIV></DIV>> > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org <DIV></DIV>> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV><br clear=all><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<br></p></html> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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